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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« on: March 21, 2012, 08:13:50 PM »
Quote from: runequester;684632
Have someone specced out what this machine would cost otherwise?


Yes, at AmigaWorld.net

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6305&start=20#84826

 ~$1350 USD (retail) for the parts.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6305&start=40#84847
~943$
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 08:16:35 PM »
Quote from: Transition;684614
*News from CommodoreUSA.net

http://www.commodoreusa.net//CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx

The Best Things Come In Small Packages


We at SinclairUK just discovered that those Apple Mini`s were cute, so we could just find nearest looking design and do rebadging once again for just about $2000, making it our cheapest but yet so expensive QL model. Again, Hot Air is rediscovered and sold!
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 09:39:55 PM »
Quote from: CritAnime;684685
The thing that irks me is that they claim that this is the first new "amiga" for however many years. What about the X1000. Or every other sodding project that has been running for however long.


And all the previous released boards like original A1s, SAMs, Natami ...

But its the marketing strategy, even we don`t like it. It is first product with "Commodore" and "Amiga" names, even factual is that it is CommodoreUSA (and not CBM) product. They will continue to do so.

There is a small petition against it, so far just 46 signatures
http://www.petitiononline.com/newamiga/petition.html

My own comment
My objection is not only confusion to AmigaOne series, but to Amiga Classics. Some people still use Classics, and they are not reproducing Classic models of any kind. Having EXACT same name of the old and new model IS confusion (e.g. how to threat it on Wikipedia etc.). However, knowing it will be simple PC`s I doubt they will also ever enter Amiga history pages or Wikipedia articles: they have nothing to do with AmigaOS`s which is real Amiga criteria.

Petition idea

t has come to our attention that Commodore USA is about to launch a new line of "AMIGA(tm)" branded computers using the classic Amiga(tm) naming convention. These new computers have absolutely nothing in common with the old Amiga(tm) computers other than the name.

By the reuse of the classic Amiga(tm) names we firmly believe that this will confuse potential users of the AmigaOS(tm) platforms, i.e. the AmigaONE(tm) line of computers.

Your "Amiga 1000x" model for instance will most likley be confused with the "AmigaONE X1000" from A-EON. The Amiga community today is focused around the AmigaOS and its derivatives. While Commodore USA might not see this as a primary market a lot of work both commercial and non-profitable has been put into the success of the Next Generation AmigaOS and the AmigaONE hardware. That is why the sudden introduction of a new Commodore branded Amiga 1000x could be seen as a way to buy into this success.

This is the reason why we wholeheartedly appeal to you to reconsider using the old classic Amiga numbering in your new line of Commodore Amigas.
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 07:56:34 PM »
Quote from: Optimus;684728
I don't disagree they need to make a profit.  It's not a charity.
 
But, I don't think the system is justified at $2500 and I don't think there is anyone who will pay it.  They have *at least* $1,000 worth of profit built in.  The list of x86 computers that will blow the doors off of it for less money is very, very, very long.
 
I could be wrong.  I just want to know ONE person who is buying it.  That's all, just one.


Dropped to $1995 from 2449 or so, in few days of criticism. Soon they might even go realistic, even now it has about $500 (a 40% profit)
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 09:10:53 PM »
Quote from: ral-clan;684820
While doing a Google search on the new Amiga I found this picture of the Commodore USA's 1000X (not Trevor's X1000).  It looks different than the 1000X currently shown on the C-USA site.  

http://www.logiprise.com/j/Amiga1000x_2012.png

Reminiscent of the original A1000 (casewise).

Maybe it's just a homemade photoshop.

I can see the picture, but unfortunately my web filter won't let me see any of the web page it's posted on.


Its from their promised designs, but likewize you can pick any of these dreams ...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FutureModels.aspx

And none come true.

Hell, no one has seen real "VIC Mini" or this "amiga Mini" its all PS edited images
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 09:30:07 PM »
Oh yes, now options scalable starting at $1499

Another $500 saved :-)

Surely, for 500$ less you get  i3-2130 3.4Ghz  instead of i5
and 4GB RAM only.

Is this overpriced or not?
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2012, 08:53:45 AM »
Quote from: Middleman;684873
It was the bounty wasn't it? CUSA wasn't prepared to pay it right?
It's understandable...it's a large sum of money for anyone to pay especially if they were unprepared...

Saying that don't put the downer on it yet, I still have high hopes for AROS....if the new Amiga sales kick off you never know what may happen...

The funny thing that always gets me is....given the importance of Amiga cross-compatibility with the x86 platform, why hasn't Hyperion/Amiga Inc. actually done anything about it ie. like acquire or work with AROS? It would make it so much easier from a development perspective to develop official versions of AmigaOS for the x86 platform (given now it is the dominant architecture, with portability & power). Isn't that what Apple did with NeXT? They bought it so they could do the needed work without the legal wrangles? I don't understand Hyperions logic....


CUSA counted everything is free and then it turned out they need a driver for C64x audio I believe, that was made but closed source for I believe AspireOS AROS distro. Owner asked his price which was I beleieve $2500 or so, one and a half CUSA computer worth.

Funny part is that Leo promised CUSA will fund AROS development (on AROS EXEC), but there was not a $10 aid to any AROS related bounty.

AROS wasn`t as much developed as today when AmigaOS porting started and best to my knowledge wasn`t ever considered official candidate. Apple approach could be simulated with Rosetta stone PPC translator even today if there were enough funds to licence such PPC to x86 JIT plus port of OS to x86. And CUSA promised to develop their own CommodoreOS but it turned out to be slight modification, not even in agreement and acknowledge of real distro authors.

Shame by shame to save as much as they can, and then overcharge any fool.
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2012, 09:17:47 AM »
Quote from: amigadave;684871
Good one Darrin!

Ta Da! 4 to 6 weeks later you get their amazing new "Amiga" delivered to the 2 buyers dumb enough to buy one of these systems.  8 weeks later CUSA has to come up with a new plan to try to make money from the Commodore & Amiga names that they have purchased, because their plans so far aren't getting them anywhere and they are probably starting to realize that CUSA is loosing money too quickly and with all the bad press and lack of sales, they will soon be out of business and can't resell the only thing that they have that is worth anything, the license to use the Commodore and Amiga names.  At least let us hope that they cannot sub-lease this license that then purchased to use those names.


Exactly my 2 cents on how they emulate to be the real company via website, facebook etc. Its all market testing and build up later. Sad, because if they invested some real money in deal with some real manufacturers and larger quantities, with less profit margin, they might even get competitive and succed.
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 02:15:47 PM »
Quote from: Middleman;684895
because I see they have a potent future to develop for the Amiga & Commodore community if they manage it righ
.


OK. Potent future prerequisites:

How big programming team they have?
Engeneering team?
Any outsourced development?
Their own PC components factory or long term agreement with any manufacturer that would lower their prices which are over highest single buy price?
Any real new products beside C64x case?
Any real hardware or software suppport (repair, troubleshooting)
Any real partnership beside e.g. selling Tron with C64x (note no one would refuse to offer Amiga Forever or Tron to go with elses product, by partnership I mean joint development, or constant supply of product in the future).

They simply don`t indent to build team beside loudspeaking and assembling PC and only thing that differs them from local PC components vendor are higher prices and shiny name.

Just as development and strategy example, remember all the web site poor designs, photoshopped images instead of real products, specification changes and delays. They appeared at time A1 X1000 was announced, but yet much more complex X1000 design, production and software adjustment wen`t months ahead of their "Amiga".

See their team on corporate section of website, it suits PR agency better then sw or hw company. And it gives such results.

Shiny example how NOT to behave in bussiness, and maybe only similarity with some other Amiga announcements
and history turn overs.
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 10:48:20 AM »
Quote from: runequester;685012
So er... what exactly are they charging for "commodore OS" and are they making sources to the components they did not create themselves available, in compliance with the GPL?
 
If so, where?


Complete the reselling scheme looks like easy way to build a distro net, but:

a) Initally reseller has to buy 10 barebones, that is ~$3400 investment that
gives just the case and BD ROM drive. He also determines end price,good news is that every even smaller dealer can get config cheaper then CUSA offer, even with $340 loss over case + licencing costs CUSA will extra charge
b) There will be a confusion on model naming and will and how Mint support exactly all possible combinations
c) Its questionable whether you can resell COS which isn`t exact intellectual property of CUSA without agreement with Mint team
b) Since suppliers will deal with all guarantees CUSA name worldwide depends on their reliablity

Its kind of win win for CUSA (licence and COS fee, barebone profit) without any responsibility or support to end dealer or user. Imagine OS support will be up to each and every dealer.

Again, just the profits, not too much work, just maintaining the webshop orders and sending cases and promo to "dealers". Will see how many will appear and stay in their own business generally working for CUSA profit more then for their own.

Its at the same time MLM genious and very unreliable scheme for dealers and end customers, no quality testing or real support.

But we need to love Leos optimism
Quote:
I We have received thousands of requests worldwide for such a program,


They never receive just few requests or sell few machines even its obviously small startup company
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Re: The Best Things Come In Small Packages
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 07:28:00 PM »
Quote from: Transition;684614
*News from CommodoreUSA.net

http://www.commodoreusa.net//CUSA_AMIGAmini.aspx

The Best Things Come In Small Packages


What about "poison comes in small packages"? Unexpandable, overpriced, only 1 year warranty with maybe underpowered PSU for intensive use and presumably low support lifetime (2 C64x models are already unavail) with Beta OS, maybe even built and supported by your local Damocles.
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