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Re: A1 v's Amiga?
« on: December 07, 2005, 01:20:22 AM »
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I love that I can still use the Amiga software through the emulator at many times the speed of an Amiga or an AmigaOne


I don't particularly disagree with anything else you've said (since it's a matter of personal taste), but this one thing is just way wrong.

Sure, you can probably run 68k software just as well on UAE. But the OS itself (and ppc native programs) is so much more responsive than anything you can get in WinUAE on currently available PC hardware, that it's not even funny.

As for perfect compatibility I'll allow myself a bit of doubt. Your machine is probably a fair bit higher specced than the old PC I have around here, but that old thing (AMD 2000+) has trouble running Amiga 500 demos properly (while most games etc run fine) - and AGA demos... well, don't even consider it.

I have four operating systems running here, and the one that beats them all hands down is AmigaOS 4 - just because it's the one that I enjoy using. I have no patience for microseconds with lag (let alone seconds or minutes as the case can still be with Windows on even blazing fast hardware).

In other words... if you want raw user interface speed, AmigaOS 4 has something to offer over what you get on the PC. Plus you don't have to bother with Windows which is a big plus in my book (Good thing to keep a dedicated non-critical machine around if you want to play around with Windows software. Wouldn't want to rely on a machine running it.).
 

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Re: A1 v's Amiga?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2005, 11:43:55 PM »
Try State of the Art or Nine Fingers by Spaceballs at some point. They're just pre-AGA demos, but I've never seen them run full speed in WinUAE with perfect emulation (of course you may need an A500 to really compare).

As for drivers... I don't know where you live and what sort of shortage of sound cards you may have there, but the most normal soundcards around here are supported by OS4. Have a look-see here: OS4 depot driver section.

Various Soundblasters, Audigy, Audigy 2, Terratec Aureon Sky, Phase28, M-Audio Revolution 7.1 and ESI Juli etc as well as the cheapo typical on-board chips are supported.

Graphics drivers will eventually be a problem I suppose, but I expect it will also be handled before it reaches critical - heck, these days you can even still find voodoo 3 cards if you look hard enough.

Regarding the responsive Windows-bit... I'll believe that when I see it. Microsoft have never been the optimizing kind of company and I don't think they'll start now. In fact I bet manufacturers would love them to drive hardware requirements through the roof, so they can sell stuff again to the average consumer And regarding WinFX... well, it's already in Tiger (similar technology anyway) and the difference isn't as great as one would expect. AmigaOS 4 is definitely still faster - by far (on slower hardware).

The application test you mention could be interesting, but it would have to be very all-round. The reasoning behind this: Let's say we script a fast Windows machine and an old Amiga (68060-based for fairness sake) to perform the same actions in an application. I bet the PC would win. However, I also bet that the Amiga would be more comfortable to use while working on this, meaning you could easily do other stuff in the meanwhile. Now don't get me wrong. I know Windows can do things simultaneously, but it does tend to fall to its knees as soon as it's computationally heavy and lose response times (that aren't that fast in the first place).

My Powerbook is much better at this scenario than my PC (and the Powerbook is a lowly 867MHz G4), but the AmigaOne is much much much faster than the Powerbook (compared to the gap between the PC and the Powerbook).

I'm never driven to the brink of madness by having to wait for the interface to respond on the Amiga. I am on the other platforms - particularly Windows. I've got Ubuntu installed and that performs a bit better overall, even though it has some issues of its own.

As for which of the three systems are the fastest... Sure that would be interesting, but not something I would use to decide by itself. I think having the choice between them regardless is more important. Some people have an x86 rig that they want to use or want to get involved with hacking their own version of AmigaOS. AROS is for them. Some want the straight evolution of AmigaOS and OS4 is for them. Some prefer the alternative approach with boxing and somewhat higher legacy compatibility (even though both systems are doing well, MorphOS goes further to ensure 3.x compatibility while OS4 is trying to evolve while keeping 3.x compatibility too - which means some things will break though - in my experience most software works though).

As long as it's fairly easy to support all the platforms from a developer point of view, the variations between the platforms are less important - except for the competition aspect where each try to beat the others; a good thing in my book.