Which to choose? 'Red pill or Blue pill'

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@ itix

But I can't still understand why ban WinUAE, Amithlon or Pegasos users from the club. It is like lonely dark fortress in the middle of nothing.

I'm sorry, but I don't know of a single usergroup that bans people that are using something else than Amiga in Sweden. I think this picture that has been portrayed here.. well, it's not the picture I have of it.

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Paul_Gadd wrote:

It´s really sad

Yeah they sound like a right bunch of sad {censorship}. if they are really anti-morphos/amithlon/uae then i hope all software developers using the above give this whole community the middle finger,(lets see how you pussies like that).

Unless you know first hand how it really is, I don't think you should voice so strong opinions. It's probably more like what coder says, there's a few people on both sides stirring the can of  s h i t e..

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crown wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't know of a single usergroup that bans people that are using something else than Amiga in Sweden. I think this picture that has been portrayed here.. well, it's not the picture I have of it.

Well, It's not like it's a big sign hanging over doors that reads "pegasos users will get shot" but you don't exactly get welcomed with open arms, right? I think it's true to say that the conflict has caused a lot of anger and dissapointment. If you are an ACG member, wouldn't you say that AmiGbg was an event that supported A-inc and not Genesis? Or would you say that both plattforms were promoted equally, and equally welcome? Was Genesis even invited? No, I feel it's safe to say that MorphOS i generally frowned upon, even by a lot of members of your own local club. Besides, It was quite clear that pegasos user clubs were not welcome when the different amiga clubs sought to unite under one banner.

I'm one of the founders of ACG Gothenburg, yes. I think the goal of AmiGBG is on their page, it was never intended to show off all the aspects of the amiga-like systems. But anyway, I'm not here to debate that. What I do object to is what you say about usergroups. Even if members are opposed to something, that still doesn't represent the usergroup. And I stand by my comment that no usergroup today bans people using different solutions than Amiga. We have people that use Pegasos and UAE in our usergroup. I know SUA has some AROS folks.

And then about the Amiga clubs uniting, when that happened, there were no Pegasos usergroups around. What the big fight was about, iirc, was that it was to be named "usergroup of generic PPC platforms" or something to that effect when most people seemed to want something completely different (disclaimer, this is from memory).

What bothers me is that we, the community, have always been Amiga. Not some company. And now we get divided by some silly legal {bleep} between two companies. Well, I for one still say "We are amiga!". I hope I'm not the only one.

I don't think you're alone. I'm dreadfully tired of the bickerings going on. I used to be very active on the forums, nowadays I don't bother, this being an exception. I have too many other things going on in my life that I don't have the time to sit around and sulk about what platform X chose or why Y isn't supported there.  

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crown wrote:
Well, then we see things differently. When I bough my peg 1, I got mail calling me all sorts of ugly things. When I engaged in discussions and pleaded for unity and everybodys right to call themselves "amiga user" I got a similar response. Not in open discussions, but privately. I got quite tired of defending myself all the time.

Therefore, when I bought a Peg 2, I didn't say a word to anybody. And then I sold it.

I'm sorry to hear that, I had no idea. I wouldn't even bother, it's your life, you have the right to choose whatever you wish.

And "What the big fight was about" was perhaps if the word Amiga could include "amiga-like systems" or not. Most people seems to feel it cannot. Amiga = Amiga inc and nothing else. The definition that Amiga = users is not generally accepted. Many argued that a federation should seek to be affiliated with Amiga inc.

Ah, well I can only speak for myself and my views, and when the name was either going to be something along the lines of  "Confederation of Amiga users" or "Generic PPC platforms" the choice was clear. Without Amiga in the name (cause that's the ONE thing that connects everyone AND would attract users) nothing would become of it. No one would read the name and think "hey, that sounds like it's for me!" you know? I objected strongly here and really tried to make my POV clear from all angles (disclaimer, from memory again).