What the F***!

[Tuxon86]

If CUSA really wants to innovate then they should go out of the beaten path of PC clone and build something totally from scratch. How about a Cell based based system with a real parallel OS for starter. The original Amiga was the first home computer with preemptive multitasking why not innovate on that front?

The world doesn't need another PC platform running an emulation layer on top of it, even if that layer is built in the OS itself.

There isn't really a place for another PC but there is a place for a new architecture, one that could revolutionize the world of personal computing.

[Tuxon86]

Let's see

custom cases
custom packaging(thread over at C-A.org)
custom Linux distro(with a possibility of becoming a custom OS in the future)
possible app market

sure seems like a lot of sticker slapping, doesn't it?

Sure it does. It is still a cheap PC clone, nothing more.

And who do you think will buy your system. The only thing that differentiates you from the rest of the clone maker is the Commodore name recognition, and your on your way to piss off your prime customer base, which is us, the one that even remember the Commodore name by the way.

There isn't anything custom about your linux distro. You won't even have the exclusivity of it, since you have to release it to everybody as per the GPL and other open source licensing. People won't buy your clone, they'll just download an iso of your distrib and use it on their standard PC.

[Tuxon86]

What progress? Show me progress! Show me a AOS4, MOS or AROS machine that can replace my current Win or Linux machine for work and fun or even simple web browsing?

Why should they replace your win or linux machine?

I sure don't need another device to surf the web, I have enough already, hell I can even buy a fridge with internet connectivity.

What I want is the next step in computer evolution, just like the Amiga was in 1985.

[Tuxon86]

I don't think we'll see anything similar that soon. It was far easier, in concept if not in execution, to offer something like Amiga 1000 in 1985 then it is now, in any configuration. Today it's more small steps, but many of them and fast.

And yet your not even walking. You are barely crawling or being dragged by the big boys like Dell and Asus...

And contrary to your beliefs it was even harder to do in 1985 because there was more competition. Commodore had to fight Apple, Atari, IBM, HP etc etc, each one trying to impose their architecture over the other on a limited marketplace (the personal computer market was smaller at that time).

For someone in the know you should learn a bit more about the history of the personal computer before making such remark.

[Tuxon86]

they should be on sale in about 3-4 months. Then I'll show you my C64x gladly

Lol, another clone running linux, yiipeeeedoooo! and all this in a carpal tunnel syndrome inducing keyboard case...

[Tuxon86]

The PC market just standardized like the auto market. All most all vehicles use combustion engines the use gasoline or diesel as fuel.

In the later days of Commdore, even the R&D guys were working on using graphics card in stead of custom graphics chips.

Ah yes standard... they are the motor of innovation ain't they?

This is why we are still driving cars with 19th century designed fuel engine today.

If nobody decided to go against "standard" we would be still riding horses and using leeches as a remedy for all diseases...

[Tuxon86]

Hee! Good one.

Yeah, I forgot the smilies again :roflmao:

[Tuxon86]

Personally, I think you're giving too much credit to the Amiga when you claim it to be that revolutionary. Apple likes to stake this claim too. In the end both derive most of their inspiration from Xerox PARC and Xerox's over priced $14,000 GUI based systems (which preceded both).

Now all common personal computers use a mouse, have a GUI, and a multi-tasking OS. But that's not Amiga's legacy (or Apple's), that's due to Xerox.

This has to be the most rabidly contentious thread yet. AmigaOS, OSX, Windows, Linux - what's the difference?

Your talking about the GUI, which is only a very small part of the system. The CLI played a bigger role on the Amiga than Intuition.

The Apples (Mac) didn't have a real preemptive multitasking OS until OS X in 2000-2001. You had to wait for Windows 95 on the PC side.  Amiga had that in 1985. It was one of its main selling point and serve to push the other to develop their own version.

The architecture was also something new and revolutionary at the time.

You should read up on it.

[Tuxon86]

You misunderstood me... yes, Commodore did have a big competition. That wasn't what I was thinking. What I was thinking is that in 1985 the A1000 was a giant leap forward in home computing. To repeat that today is much more difficult because home computing is on a different level all together.

No it isn't. Quite frankly the home PC market could be considered on its decline presently, being replaced by cheap media boxes, game consoles and iPad, iPod type device.

It is exactly the time to start something new as to restart the fire.

[Tuxon86]

That's not the whole deal... Amiga made it available to a lot bigger audience for a lot less money. 14 000 $ in the 80s... you could probably buy a few cars for that then

The Amiga 1000 sold for $1,600.00 in 1985, not exactly short change. Why do you think the C64 sold up until the 1990.

The A500 was the first affordable Amiga for the masses.

BTW about the cell based computer, you would not be the first since Toshiba & IBM already use it in their system, and so does Sony. You wouldn't be starting from scratch. There is even already a linux distrib for the cell if you still want to go that way. The fun would be to include a good parallel processing lib with it and watch the interest of the hacking community try to exploit the vast resources of the system. That would be a revolution. Not just bringing back a beige colored keyboard case.

[Tuxon86]

Your average user today browses internet, plays flash/Java games, soon will also run in-browser 3D games(I'm eagerly awaiting Star Trek: Infinite Space :afro:), watches youtube videos... none of that is possible on any amiga(like) system.

But sure, if you're are a retro-user... I agree Natami will tick all the right boxes

And soon, most of it will be available directly on my TV, no need for a computer...

[Tuxon86]

the PC market is actually very stable and PC gaming is on the rise. So no worries there...

CUSA are planning a tablet(maybe even a smartphone, although that may be too much from current perspective), but it will not be released that soon.

PC market is stagnant, and so is PC gaming. Except for FPS and WoW what do you play that can't be played on a console or even a phone?

You seem to think that the young teen posting on Digg are the majority of PC buying market. Things have changed. You are 10 years too late in the PC game. Even game review show like Reviews on the Run spend more time these days talking about iPhone/iPad games than PC games. Also the Wii, Sony Move and the new XBox system are bringing new customer who aren't interested in sitting in front of a PC in a dark basement all days exploding heads or melting faces.

[Tuxon86]

Actually it is precisely because of standards that medicine moved on. Standardised testing for the effectiveness of treatments using scientific methodology, standardisation of remedies in tablet forms so as to provide a consistent dosage, standardised training for medical practitioners.

People improve on those standards obviously, but without them, well you can always visit a naturapathic or homoeopathic "doctor" and see how well that works for anything remotely serious.

Are you really trying to twist the meaning of what I have said?

You bloody well know that is nobody as the courage to go against the flow then nothing changes. It has nothing to do about the standard size of a pill or either you shove a suppository up yours ...

Improving on standard is like adding a new floor on an already shaky foundation. Someone has to decide to bring it down and start anew sometime.

[Tuxon86]

I think you have a rather odd view of computer history.

Back then computers were much more limited so it was possible to do something revolutionary with a relatively small numbers of people and relatively small amount of money.  Doing the same today - if it could even be done - would cost Billions (not millions) and require an army of highly qualified people.

As for competition being less, you are kidding? right?

You'll be going up against a massive installed base of pretty much one one highly entrenched system. It's much, much easier to go up against multiple systems in an immature market.

You're basically talking about developing a chipset significantly better than AMD/ATI or Nvidia could develop and producing an OS that would then easily sweep aside Windows - as well as the rest of the PC industry.

You really think that today would be easier than doing it in 1985?
To put it into perspective, the leading PC architecture in 1984 was the Commodore 64.

So ok, we all roll over and die then.

BTW it wouldn't be that hard doing better than NVidia and Ati lately considering how their overpriced card consumed more power than my space heater and they are so buggy as to necessitate weekly drivers updates.

It would be easier today. The tools needed to design them are more powerful today than they were in 1985, and engineer are better trained today in that field. The manufacture plants are also better and more efficient.

God, with attitude and views like that we would have never made it out in space.

As for the entrenched base statement, ask Apple about it. Nobody would have given them a chance in the late 90's but look what innovation did to them. You have to take risk if you want to progress.

[Tuxon86]

Cell processors found in some consoles are not available on the free market. The end.

Have you asked?