Alternatives for Elbox products?

[quenthal]

So for all you windoze users and Elbox-bashers, what are your suggestions for upgrade, if Elbox is to be boycotted? WinXP?

Not all of us are running Windoze-boxes here, and getting Classic Amigas up to date, some form of PCI is required.

Prometheus?
- Not too many drivers, no DMA.
- DMA is not supported even in AmigaOS4.0, if Matay doesn't provide new roms for it.

G-Rex?
-No future support in OS4.0
-Not many new drivers since Pegasos started to gain space.

Elbox Mediator?
-No, they are the bad guys.
-It is the best and most commonly used PCI-solution. hw-wise
-It WILL be supported in AmigaOS4.0, as stated by Hyperion. OS4.0 pci.library and PCI-peripheral-drivers will be coded by Hyperion & that 3rd party drivergroup who are responsible for those.

Draw your own conclusions. Should I and others just stop using them, hope that this boycott will do it's job, and lose the complete support from Elbox?

I'll personally buy AmigaOne and/or Pegasos, but i would still like to upgrade my A4k/PPC/060 to the max

I can see no excuses what Elbox did, but they made sort of apology by removing that evil piece of code. Not nearly enough. And now they are under heavy surveillance, and probably won't try it again. What penalty would you think would be enough? Just hope that no-one buys Amiga stuff from them anymore, and get rid of this cancer of amiga? Sometimes I can't understand these continuous bashings, when majority of those who are loudly making their points out over and over again are not even (current/potential) users of Elbox' products.

-q

[quenthal]

What is the punishment that would be enough in your opinion? I think that they have lost quite a bot of their reputation, isn't that already enough in this small market?

[quenthal]

Elbox better not be caught doing this junk again, if they ever want my buisness.

If they want to act like hackers, they can live like hackers...

Without my help.

With that I can fully agree.

[quenthal]

Paul_Gadd wrote:
Cmon you cant seriously expect people to turn a blind eye just because they do a PCI solution for the amiga

I'm not expecting that, and I'm not personally doing that either. I'm just saying that in this small market they are quite badly hurten already after all this. If everyone would act against M$ the same way, scaled up to that huge userbase, we would see M$ going down.

 If someone is going to sue Elbox for this, they have all the right to do it. And if someone has suffered because of RDB-desctruction caused by Elbox' drivers, it think they should do it. I'm not defending them.

It's just that do we really need to crucify them because of one screwup - screwup that they have fixed in their newest drivers?

If you still feel that you can't trust Elbox, just don't buy their hardware anymore.

I've never had any problems with their products. When there has been questions about something, they have answered. That can't be said with many Amiga-companies.

[quenthal]

Paul_Gadd wrote:
@quenthal

I understand what you are saying but imagine this HD killer code kicked in when you had a crash/virus attack or something and your harddrive was useless untill you repaired it, would you want to give them a second chance?

I'm not sure.. probably not, atleast not very easily. I can only hope that no-one else than Qwe has lost any time&data because of this. Most of elbox users are probably now using new drivers, so hopefully there won't be any viruses using it on their purposes. Now, when I have not lost anything because of Elbox' drivers, and having not heard anything from other users I'm more willing to give them second chance. Naturally it's sad, that there was need for this kind of publicity, until Elbox removed something that shouldn't been there in the first place. And the same thing will go on for quite a long time - there are many who are watching elbox sw quite closely, and they will come out with their findings very quickly if something is found. Elbox knows this, and I don't think they are going to pull anything like this again.. i hope..