NatAmi 68070 design draft

[Atheist]

bloodline, you funny guy.

You know, Amiga IS superior.

We MUST have the NatAmi60 because:

First; genuine RAM: disk. Then, genuine draggable screens.

Oh, and what of RAD: and it's surviving reboots?

And I can't install winXP with SP 2 in the ram disk of WinXP (which doesn't exist) and reboot winXP from ram. So clearly winXP is an INFERIOR OS.

xp doesn't have those, and can't operate with swapspace deactivated, and it DOESN'T tell you that that's why it won't work, it just doesn't (this is NOT a myth). Then, if you tell the computer to NOT accept input from the ethernet (internet connection), my computer GRINDS to a halt, well, REALLY slows down, anyway.

MP can kiss my ass. I want a ONE USER OS, and bill gates, deceptive rat fink, can NOT tell me otherwise.

Software architect nothing, he couldn't write a notepad for AOS2.0 replacement that WORKS.

My computer of 2.26 GHz P IV with 1 Gig ram stalls (~3 seconds) when opening a 2 to 4 meg ASCII file!!!!!!!!!

AND when I save the smallest trivial web pages with FireFox 2, it take 5 to 10 seconds (not kidding, SECONDS) before I can use FF again.

HE decided people wanted colour, then HE decided they wanted  GUI then HE decided people need MP, then HE decided you want registry and multiple logins, hey now, play games TOO......

WE HAD ALL THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(bar logins, registry, MP (but MP WAS optional))


The AOS1.3  more command, I couldn't press the space bar fast enough to outpace more reading off a FLOPPY DISK!!!!

xp is PURE GARBAGE.

[Atheist]

Okay, what do I know, I'm not that techie, but what about EPROM and EEPROM?

[Atheist]

And what about DLLs and notepad on xp being 64 K in size?

Our programs are mind bogglingly SMALL and yet VERY feature filled, and xp is 32 bit, and so is AOS!!!!!

We can multi-task without MP and self modifying code IS permitted.

It's XP that lacks FEATURES!!

[Atheist]

I state unequivocally; that probably only 1% of the people here realize the true power of the 1985 Amiga computer!!!!

And it's those one percent (who may remain unnamed*), who understand that, THAT multiplied by 100 is MINDSHATTERING!

So, they will get the NatAmi60.

EOL.


* DoomMaster is one who shall not remain unnamed. :laughing:

[Atheist]

Features/benefits of AOS on NatAmi over other JUNK:

1. 4 second boot up (Could be 1 second, if it weren't for memory check and loading of FPGA.)

2. AOS anywhere from 1.3 being 700 K to AOS3.9 being 2.6 Megs (I'm talking copying whole OS to ram. What REALLY do those other OSs do that needs 450 Megs of code and 40 Megs of ram??? Notepad on XP is 64 K, and who knows what support files it needs to be able to run?)

3. Ram: disk

4. Rad: disks (even reboot off of rad:. Yeah, seems like the one above is the same, but NO, these are two DISTINCT features over and above what linux/MacOSX and wind up your pants 95/98(SE)/2000ME/xp/vista offer.)

5. Draggable screens (This BLEW MY MIND when I first saw it in 1988.)

6. Multiple resolutions simultaneously displayed from one vertical line to the next vertical line (amazing ability!!! This combined with #5, I needed changing pants!)

7. Programming wise, can easily bypass OS if you wish

8. No login carp

9. No MP

10. No swap file

11. No registry

12. No DLLs

13. Programs can run from ANY directory/device, unless hard
coded to dissuade you from being able to (I had only THREE sub directories in the root of my Amiga 2000 hard drive, think it was S: and maybe Libs: and one more sub dir with all the other AOS1.3.3 directories in it.)

14. Programs are SMALL and I mean REALLY small.... Try starting a program on a cell phone, why's it take 6 seconds to load the damn things!!?!?! Oh, compressed you say? AND IF I should happen to have a 2 Gig SD memory card is there ANY way I the "master" of the device can FORCE it to be put onto the memory card in uncompressed format, so that I (the MASTER) can load the app/game in ONE second? NooooOOOOOoooooo!!!!!

15. Speaking of small, what's with the graphics drivers being in the 20 Megs range? There is no actual way of KNOWING how big these drivers are, and how much ram they take up as everything is secreted away from the users. Point is, that was one of the keys of AOS working so MAGICALLY. There wasn't 30 Megs of graphics kaka, and yet it achieved basically audio/visual miracles!!!

16. NatAmi60's physical power is near the PS2 level, BUT it's TOTALLY OPEN to the USER!!!!! How HARD was it for the game developers to achieve the real benefits of the Emotion Engine? It only took TWO YEARS before games using it's full potential were out (by the BIGGEST developers who had dev kits upto 1.5 years before the console was even released!!!!). Toooooo complex!

17. With all the power down/energy conserving "AI" measures, I think that using the new CPUs and devices produces unpredictable results (this applies to #10, swap files too).

18. The Mac is now relegated to "appliance".

19. Instant off! (Why aren't cell phones instant off??!?!?!?!?!??!)


Until the "Modern, up-to-date, be all/end all super pooper compooters" can do these (19) things, they aren't really what I'd call a "PERSONAL COMPUTER"......



P.S. Doesn't anything just turn ON and OFF anymore???

[Atheist]

In point #16, to make it clear, it took ~1.5 years before the PlayStaion 2's were for sale, to 2 years AFTER they were buyable to achieve full throttle performance wise.

3 and a half years TOTAL.

Also, I've played very few games on it, but the price of all that eyecandy seemed to make games choppy, "complete this (small) section, load next....." (Played only a few of the initial releases.)


P.S. I'm sure there are more than 19 points of contention, too. Would take micro soft (sic) 50 billion dollars to FIX these nagging details.

[Atheist]

HenryCase wrote:

@Atheist
Dude, you've been posting variations of that list for a while now, it's getting really tiring. I like you're enthusiasm, just try to direct it in a more positive direction. Don't bother with the silly Windows/AmigaOS comparisons, they are not doing you any favours.

Hi HenryCase,

People wonder where I'm coming from, that's why I reposted.

These are not just agitating that I can't have them on windows/linus/OSX, but really make those OSs impossible for at least me to use.

Thought I wouldn't have to make that list, and/or repeat it to Amiga users.

JUST the CPU has moved from a 7.16 MHz sixteen/thirty two bit design to 3.0 GHZ with 2 Megs of L2 cache, and yet it's MORE FRUSTRATING to use it! It's too slow! (I only have ever had this 1 core 2.26 GHz P IV with 1 Gig ram. No exp. with 2 or 4 cores yet.)

[Atheist]

This is a ridiculously low price to walk away from to reignite the Amiga flame!

That's $250,000 + 10,000 * $20 = $450,000

One run of 10,000 ASICs is $45 per CPU. There must be 2,500 regulars if you combined all the active members from here, AmigaWorld.net and Amigans.net and a few other non-English message boards interested in such a beast, surely?.

So, if ONLY 2,500 boards were sold, the rest of the chips (3 extra per board) could be amortized across them @135 per board.

IOW, sell every MB with an additional $135 tagged in, to compensate for not being able to sell/make the remaining 7,500 MBs.

This is the contribution we could make for hopefully another run of 2,500 to be made.

[Atheist]

JJ wrote:
@Atheist

And you are stumping up  the half million dollars are you. I mean its penauts according to you.

And think you are missing a few parts of the cost there

Hi JJ,

Doh, I know it's a ~550 dollar (add $135) MB, I'm only talking about the difficulty in obtaining the one key component.

[Atheist]

JJ wrote:
@Atheist

Are you actullay part of thsi project ?  You keep saying we !!!

No, I am not a part of this project, however I will buy the NatAmi60.

I'm speaking as a member of the Amiga community.

This is the train we've been waiting to get on to, lets not miss it. (I'm talking about the future cheap motherboard.)

[Atheist]

Hi bloodline,

The people like me are the guinea pigs buying a NatAmi60 for ~1200, the one with the FPGA, that is going to be, over the course of ~1 year, be tested, and tested, and tested again.

No ASIC is being made until the FPGA version, the NatAmi60, is taken around the block way more than a few times.

[Atheist]

wawrzon wrote:

@atheist: please, thats reallly highly unrealistic, ur just confusing people. i think natami devs have already much more mature plans, as what to do with their research, so let them speak for themselves if u will.

Hi wawrzon,

Mine was a possible scenario by which a relatively cheap NatAmi could be done.

The NatAmi60, which is the testing model will be expensive, and I hope they can get over 300 sold.

[Atheist]

Hey everybody, I'm just throwing ideas out there. The numbers aren't THAT high.... I feel that it IS possible!!!!

[Atheist]

wawrzon wrote:

@atheist:
no 2000 people are going to gather around a risky project with uncertain outcome to donate each 500-1000$. face it. even a single sponsor is more likely

Hi wawrzon,

What if, and I say, what if theoretically:

The NatAmi60 is made, and appeared to be bug free, and IS astounding (as I know it will be), ACube said; "we'll make this if 1,000 people are wiling to prepay $700 or 1500 are willing to prepay $600 for us to make a small run of computers."

How about then? We're basically kind of limited to that at the moment.

[Atheist]

Hi bloodline,

We have DiscreetFX. They might give it a try. There's ACube. There's venerable Software Hut and also KGrach.

Alan Redhouse said he was only in it if it was fun, well, this may qualify as "fun"..... don't think there are NatAmi60 trolls lurking anywhere around, do you?