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...which indeed shares the "tied to the PPC anchor" faith of OS4, but at least aims to be running on all relevant PPC mainstream HW. Because if there is such a thing as mainstream PPC HW, then it consists of machines like the e-mac, mac mini, power mac and power book...

Ben Hermans and the Frieden brothers on the other hand doesn't think mainstream PPC HW is a small enough market, so they need to narrow the options down even further to systems built in batches of 30 units, costing a magnitude more, while offering less.

That shows the difference in philosophies between the two - MorphOS aims for being runnable on as many platforms as possible, and if there would have been an easy way of making it x86 to run on generic Intel HW they would probably have done it some time ago already, while OS4 wouldn't, because then "it would get pirated" (or such strange arguments)...

What a load of rubbish I'm sorry but the fact is if anything is holding MorphOS back from being ported to x86 it would be the same story for AmigaOS. And before you call me an AmigaOS fan boy I would have you no I own a registered copy of MorphOS and I own AmigaOS 4.1.

Seriously a lot of people bash Hyperion for not porting AmigaOS4.1 to x86 but what of the MorphOS developers? Lots of people argue it to be the most polished, best developed Amiga like/inspired OS after all your signature says MorphOS is amiga done right well if it was done right shouldn't it be on x86?

So why don't they CHOOSE to port Morphos/AmigaOS to x86, is it because they want to keep the limited 68k compatibility without relying on emulation via something like UAE? Who knows but if you want Amiga like OS on x86 try using the AmigaOS4 rip off called AROS or try emulation like Amikit or win uae with amigaforever from Cloanto.

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Surely you mean Amiga OS 3.1 rip off?

Yes you are right but I also mean AROS shamelessly even tries to look like AmigaOS with the dock bar and the way it functions I mean all they have to do is add subdocks and the photocopy is almost complete. Yes the icons are drawn a little differently and they call it Wanderer instead of workbench but they are not trying to hard to make it a whole lot more different are they?

It's like as if they badly want AmigaOS but not on PPC so they are just photocopying it so to speak onto x86. Looks like a rip off, works like a rip off so it is a rip off.

At least MorphOS looks different.

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Sorry to burst your bubble boys.... well i'm not really but AmigaOS4.1 is a continuation of the development of all the previous WORKBENCH/AmigaOS derivatives including AmigaOS/Workbench 3.1 which AROS clearly is a rip off of. So bearing this in mind yes AROS was around before AmigaOS4 but it wasn't before 3.1 and all subsequent advances to which AmigaOS4 and 4.1 is as mentioned a derivative of.

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@ Nicholas

Hello Dr Hirudo, long time no see.

Don't know who Dr Hirudo is?

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Ahhh, gentlemen! We have a techie troll in our midst!

So tell me mr Fairdinkem, if that is your real name, how exactly is AOS4 a confirmation of 3.1, where AROS and MoS are not?*



not sure I even parse this paragraph...


*I'll give you a quick clue; Hypeion have gone on record to say that very little of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code was used in AOS4 and that parts of AROS were used in AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9...

Nice of you to call me a QUOTE Troll only because I stand in difference to your opinion..... Sorry I won't bow to your peer pressure tactics.

Little of 3.1 code was used by Hyperion because Amiga Inc could not/would not supply the source code sorry my friend. Hyperion advanced AmigaOS4 beyond that which was asked of them by Amiga Inc and created the Next Gen AmigaOS that was a stand alone OS independent of 68k.

Why is AROS and MorphOS not a confirmation of 3.1? I think you already no the answer to that but I will go there. Whist legalities were being conducted for the intellectual properties of Amiga part of the Amiga community thought they would take it upon themselves to set themselves up as the TRUE Amiga successor whilst in the background the real war was being conducted. Hyperion is the end result of many battles as far as the operating system is concerned not the good intentions of some well meaning or opinionated Amiga community members. (May the flaming begin.)

I would like to remind all on the thread I use all flavours of Amiga ie

I own a Pegasos 2 with registered copy of MorphOS 2.7, AmigaOS4.1 plus I have a PPC Classic Amiga 1200 and a 030 accelerated Amiga 1200 and an Amiga 500 plus I have a live cd of AROS.

So I am hardly a TROLL waving the Hyperion Flag but I do have my preference.

Yet no one has bothered to answer why it is that everyone is happy to bash Hyperion for not entering the x86 frontier but not the MorphOS team for taking MorphOS to the promised land?

Whilst all along AROS is held up as Amigas messiah yet it seems that they are not satisfied by it and are still holding out for AmigaOS to be ported?

By the way I am not some guy named Dr Hirudo, my nickname for this forum is Fairdinkem as it has always been.

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yeah good on ya mate

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So name calling like troll/Insane even by moderators is perfectly acceptable but asking legitimate questions about whats going on in the community or discussing things to do with history is not? Or is this AROS exec not Amiga.org?

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@Forcie

For your information AROS runs on PPC (SAM400, Efika 5200), as well as  on x86 and ARM platforms, and real 68k Amigas (and Natami/Minimig AGA in  the future).

I am well aware of the sam 440 port of AROS which was of recent updated and being maintained, but you have to be honest that AROS despite being a open source effort has always been focused on being an x86 venture to realise the dream of Amiga on x86:)

Your ranting about AROS being a "rip off"

Everyone perceives me as a TROLL or to be on a RANT rampage. Yet I thought forums were for intellectual discussion and sharing of opinions which can result in heated debate.

I have been singled out as the TROLL when I responded to TAKEMEHOMEGRANDMA reply #7 of this thread which I believe BAITED the thread with anti Hyperion sentiment.

I was merely trying to add balance to equation by showing MorphOS has potentially all the same reasons for not being ported to x86 architecture as Hyperion do with AmigaOS and that the constant badgering Hyperion endure whilst MorphOS developers fly under the radar is confusing to me.

I also pointed out that whilst Hyperion are bombarded with anti sentiment for not porting AmigaOS to x86 yet there is AROS which looks largely like AmigaOS.

I do believe a rewrite of someones intellectual property with out there consent to offer it up for free is a rip off even if you do offer up a defense of it's not a rip off its an open source clone. If I re write twilight and keep all the major and relevant plot lines and call it DUSK an inspired clone of twilight and offer it up for free its still a rip off but I guess I'm a communist.

I hope people can see I am merely trying to have a conversation not just troll a thread but my guess is I am forever labeled in this forum.