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Re: Was PCI for Amiga a good choice?
« on: August 25, 2015, 01:43:13 AM »
The Mediator and other such expansions were/are a bit kludgy, but it's a safe assertion to make that if Commodore/Amiga persisted into the late '90s they would have adopted industry standard busses and edge connector profiles such as PCI.
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Re: Was PCI for Amiga a good choice?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 11:39:52 PM »
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Sure AOS is stuck in the past, ...
But AOS4.x is not stuck in the past, it is true, that you can't install it on any 68k based classic, but that does not change the fact that AOS4.x is not stuck in the past.

I didn't know that the criteria for being 'stuck in the past' is the ability to be installed on 68k hardware.

How about you provide us examples of where AmigaOS 4.x is future focused? Then maybe your statement may carry some water.

The simple fact is that all of the mainstream userland operating systems are stuck in the past because the bulk of the users (early, and late majority) are stuck in the past. Every new release is a delicate balance between introducing forward thinking concepts whilst maintaining enough of the old stuff to try and keep the user base.

It is my assessment that:
- Mac OS X Yosemite is about 60% SITP (Stuck in the Past)
- Windows 10 is about 65% SITP (down from Windows 8.x which started at about 60% SITP)
- Mainstream Linux Distro like Ubuntu, OpenSuSE, Fedora, etc are about 70% SITP
- Most other linux distros are 70-80% SITP
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- AmigaOS 4.x is about 95% SITP

Compared to other actively developed commercial operating systems, AmigaOS 4.x is soooo stuck in the past.
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1) Amiga A4000 040 40MHz, Mediator PCI, Voodoo 3 3000, Creative PCI128, Fast Ethernet, Indivision AGA Mk2 CR, DVD/CD-RW, OS 3.9 BB2
2) Amiga A1200 040 25MHz, Indivision AGA Mk2 CR, IDEfix, PCMCIA WiFi, slim slot load DVD/CD-RW, OS 3.9 BB2
3) Amiga CD32 + SX1, OS 3.1
 

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Re: Was PCI for Amiga a good choice?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 11:05:52 AM »
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but why don't you give me examples why AOS 4.x is stuck in the past, besides backwards compatability, which all OS's has, as you pointed out.


https://web.njit.edu/~mili/pdf/oss.pdf
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2) Amiga A1200 040 25MHz, Indivision AGA Mk2 CR, IDEfix, PCMCIA WiFi, slim slot load DVD/CD-RW, OS 3.9 BB2
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Re: Was PCI for Amiga a good choice?
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2015, 01:37:49 AM »
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sometimes i get the impression that the policy is exactly that: purposedly not to let the userbase grow beyond what it is, only just drain all the cash it is able to offer. souns weird? yeah, it does. but on the plus side you can keep your secure place locked away from the outside world and keep dreaming what could be if it would be forever.

is it my duty to support that? i woulnt like to think so. i prefer to support, what gains my interest, not what others may demand of me for the sake of their interests. especially if this must involve bashing the genuine system, we all should be actually fans of.


Well said.
---------------AGA Collection---------------
1) Amiga A4000 040 40MHz, Mediator PCI, Voodoo 3 3000, Creative PCI128, Fast Ethernet, Indivision AGA Mk2 CR, DVD/CD-RW, OS 3.9 BB2
2) Amiga A1200 040 25MHz, Indivision AGA Mk2 CR, IDEfix, PCMCIA WiFi, slim slot load DVD/CD-RW, OS 3.9 BB2
3) Amiga CD32 + SX1, OS 3.1