Generation X - Rebels Without A Clue...

[Kesa]

I have to disagree with a lot that has been written here.

I saw the documentary as well and thought it was OK until they got to generation x. I thought it was silly and i didn't think it represented modern gamers in any way. It was not an accurate depiction of modern games and gamers. But i also think the part about the mods was correct but i feel people on this thread have misinterpreted what it means. In my opinion mods are the beggining of a possible future of games where gamers are not relient on game companies and are instead able to make thier own games themselves. So this would be correct that they are fighting the establishment. An example of this would be freedoom. Also if you look at the recent rise in popularity of internet games such as java and flash as well as smartphone apps you will see that these games are so simple that anyone can make them. This is fighting the establishment in my opinion.

Another thing. Everyone is quick here to laugh off the modders rebelling against the establishment as being silly. It's funny because it kind of sounds like amigans turning to aros as a way to "fight the establishment"   :confused:

[Kesa]

Another thing. For the record i agree that this generation is lazy. I think higher education is a priviledge and not a right. I think a lot of people go to university just so they don't have to get a job :madashell:

[Kesa]

The most absurd statements came from the authors and so called "Generation X" diddies who wrote games like "9/11 Survivor" and claim that these games actually put the player in a place where they could experience what it really feels like to be in an actual real life, life or death situation... No you stupid twats it's a game on a computer screen and until you actually experience a life or death situation in real life no computer game is ever going to cause you to physically shit yourself or actually kill someone else in order to save your own life...

Have you actually played some of these modern games? It's not an attack but i think for someone to criticise something they first have to know what they are talking about. You have many times  in the past stated you have no interest in modern games and hardware but at the same time you are quick to dismiss them

I think some games like call of duty are quite realistic. I feel this game has taught me a lot and it has been a real opener in certain ways. Same for other games too. Also don't forget about VR which has been used succesfully to treat certain conditions. My point is games can approach a certain realism that can not be denied.

[Kesa]

You've obviously not got a Degree.

Actually i do. I have a degree in Accountancy and this coming November i will have a degree in Finance as well. That's 2 degrees.

[Kesa]

What have i learn't from call of duty? Hmmmmmm.....

The randomness of war. How many times did you die before finishing a harder level? Yesterday it took maybe 50 attempts to finish one level on veteran difficulty. I wonder how many attempts i would get in real life?

Friendly fire. One of my biggest criticisms of the game is that you can't tell an enemy from an ally. Half the time i shoot at my own men because i can't tell the difference between them! Especially in multiplayer. I think this would be quite a realistic scenario in real life. How many people got shot in real life from friendly fire in WWII? Probably a lot.  

I am also aware it is only a game and i have never held a gun to someone in real life. But i definitely hold to the idea that you can learn from games.

Also the game is based on real life historic battles. Obviously they wouldn't be accurate in any way but they inspired me read up on them and do some reading. I did last night.

[Kesa]

You say you watched the doc but go on to say that these modders are going to  be the ones who will create the future games without the big software companies being a part of it.

Kesa if you listened carefully to what was said in the doc you would realise the games being modded are produced by the companies these numpties claim to be fighting against and none of these so called modders actualy write the games in the first place. So therefore the thicko modders who can't write a game to begin with would have nothing to mod without some software company producing it in the first place...

And yes it is funny to listen to them claiming to be fighting the establishment when they are silly buggers buying the games & consoles from the establishment in the first place and not even having the sense to realise this...

(I assume from your anger here you are a modder...

I'm not a modder but i do believe in anti consumerism

I think the point is that gamers are trying to take hold of their own gaming experience which can only be a good thing. I know that they don't actually make their own games but it's still a good push in the right direction.

Not exactly relevant but here it is. Maybe an example of modders successfully fighting the establishment would be Linux. Why pay hundreds of $ for windows 7 when you can use something just as good for free? I'm currently in the process of installing Ubuntu so i can run it with Windows 7 at the same time. The only reason i use windows 7 now and not switched over to Linux altogether is because i didn't pay for it. MS can blow me before i pay for overpriced crap.  I'm not really sure if you can associate modders and Linux together?

[Kesa]

I believe the future of gaming is interesting. It's definitely possible to make bedroom games as long as they are small enough. This would be perfect for smartphone apps etc.

On the other hand games in the 1980's took a few people a few weeks to make whereas today there may be hundreds of people working on a game that costs millions of dollars to make over several years at a time. It wouldn't be realistic to expect this to be done in bedrooms of amateur programmers.

In my opinion the future is big game companies joining forces with consumer gamers who also have programming skills (modders) to make a final product. Typically the casual gamer in the past had no knowledge of programming so their participation was limited to playing games only whereas today there are more and more consumer gamers who are also adept programmers so are in a position to participate more actively in a games development. This is going to only increase in the future. In the future games will be developed with modders and professional programmers working together as a team throughout the development of the game. This is the future of gaming.

[Kesa]

None of us have to justify our entertainment to anyone else

Only if it's illegal!

[Kesa]

I actually researched the Reichstag on wikipedia because it's at the end of the game and i spent a lot of time trying to get through it. I think the programmers are amazing for the realism they put into it. The photos of the building in ruins is identical in the game!