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Re: What the F***!
« on: January 11, 2011, 02:09:24 PM »
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No delusion here, but I truly am enjoying my next-generation Amiga stuff and for me anyway it has been worth the price of admission. And my view is that A Inc. and C=USA are cut from the same cloth.


I think that is a bit unfair.  Give them some time to set things up on a large scale before condemning them.  As far as WB5, I'll be happy if it isn't horrid as it's most likely a bridge to get them to where they want to be which will take time.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 03:51:41 PM »
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Okay, so they're going to slap a boing-ball logo bubble and a slightly customized case on generic x86 hardware. Whoop-de-doo.


If they substituted a flaky PPC mobo for the generic x86, would that make things better?  Oh, triple the price as well.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 04:10:05 PM »
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nah c/mon now do you know how much work and effort actually trying to design, and engineer a 'real' new product would cost !...now why would AI and CUSA bother with that nonsense of trying to do some real design and engineering when they can slap a sticker on existing stuff that other people already made:roflmao:


Oh come on, Eyetech had to take at least a week on how to rebadget the Teron mobo, it can't be that big of a deal.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 05:00:27 PM »
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The only place the x86 is ubiquitous is in the desktop PC market, and that's only because it provides compatibility with Windows application binaries from previous generations. Linux is a fundamentally source-based operating system anyway - there's no reason this project has to use x86, other than that Atom boards are cheap and easy to throw into a prefab case before branding it and selling it to someone claiming it's an Amiga.


There is no claiming, C=USA has the license from Amiga Inc for the name, "Amiga."  After Eyetech dragged the name through the cesspools, there is very little damage C= USA could ever do to it. If anything, they are using well known models that won't have significant hardware bugs which is a perk the Amiga community is not use to.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 05:33:36 PM »
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I don't really care whether they have the legal rights to the name or not - they're still trying to sell a standard x86 PC as somehow being a "new Amiga." If that's the case, the genericlone Pentium 4 workstation I'm typing on is as much an Amiga as what they're selling, and I didn't have to sit around looking at terrible POV-ray renders and wondering how much the distributor was going to charge me for it.


I'll hold off till I see what the OS looks and feels like before I'll pass judgement.  Or is that being too reasonable of an approach?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 06:28:13 PM »
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Dosn't anyone else find it funny that anytime someone comes on this forum heavily hyping or defending cusa that they have 50 or less posts?


I think I have slightly more then 50 posts...
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 07:17:20 PM »
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Maybe if C= and Amiga become popular again they can think about making a computer from scratch.


Why?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 09:44:05 PM »
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Leo wolf up his moon is funny.


Hate to break it to you, but WTTM is not Leo, wrong part of the world.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 09:48:46 PM »
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I think its the desire for better "genetic diversity" so to speak.  Amiga was the "whole tamale", from hardware to software to end user.  These CUSA machines are just the wrapper.


Which can also be said about A1 and SAM440.  Sam440 being a higher quality machine, of course.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 10:08:11 PM »
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The PowerXCell 8i has been available from IBM for a couple of years.


Who is actually using it as a desktop?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2011, 02:01:19 PM »
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Read a few pages and got bored rather quickly.

C=USA is clearly trying to de-rail A-Eon's/Hyperion's attempt to bring a new computer running AmigaOS.  Simple as that.


Except C=USA doesn't care about Hyperion.

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Its obvious... consider the facts.

1) They are calling their linux distribution Workbench.  If C=USA do go ahead and actually bring something to market Hyperion will sue and C=USA will lose.


Except Hyperion has zero license agreements or trademarks with the name, "Workbench."  Right now AI is battling Cloanto over their trademark name of, "Workbench."  What does Hyperion have to do with it?

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2) They are calling this distribution version 5.  When it should be version 1; clearly set to confuse the consumer into thinking 'ooo cool this must be a long overdue update to version Workbench 3 I remember back in the day.'  This is a clearly a case of viral marketing.


Last Workbench released was 3.x.  C=USA should be calling it Workbench4.  Would that make you happier?

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3) Imagery.  Using images without permission, making banner look like A.org etc.  Using images that are not appropriate to the products they are licensed to sell.


I see nothing on commodoreusa.net that looks like a banner from AO.  If you are referring to Commodore-amiga.org, that is non C=USA's web site, that belongs to Terminills.

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4) External forum site that can easily be disassociated from/with the C=USA website when it goes tits up.  Leaving these 'C=USA' fans disillusioned.


Same can be said for Amigans.net, so what?

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6) $30 million TV marketing campaign for Christmas 2010... which never happened.


Nope, they never declared it was for Christmas 2010.  Now I did read it was supposedly spread out over five years.

Any more factually challenged statements?
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2011, 02:29:37 PM »
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I dont quite get why Workbench and AROS is outdated. It seems to run just fine here, with all that I need for every day use.

What it lacks is not in the OS, but lack of programs, and that has nothing to do with the OS


The API is out dated.  Not much can be done to bring it to modern OS level with it being chained to 3.1 API.  Which is one of the reasons why I no longer support AROS.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2011, 03:16:10 PM »
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Obviously they do, as they dropped Aros support due to the treat of legal action from them.


AFAIK, AROS was dropped on several reasons.  One was it wasn't ready for prime time since it could not use the second core of the dual core Atom.  It would crash and do other annoying things that would not be viable for a commercial project of this size.  Yes, the legal issue made Leo nervous but I still say he should reread the agreement between AI and Hyperion again, there is significant wording in that agreement that should sooth his nerves.

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The whole bases of the case that Amiga Inc have got with Cloanto is that using the name Workbench will damage other Amiga related products, now if they dont mean AmigaOS, what do they mean?


Hell if I know, I am not AI nor C=USA.  Go ask AI.

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It be more correct, the only reason I can think they are using version 5 is to make it either seem to be more superior to AmigaOS4 or make it appear its it natural successor. Plus if it has no relation to the original AmigaOS or Workbench, why is it not just called Workbench 1, it is after all the first version of this new OS.


AI apparently has given it's blessing to use the term Workbench.  Go ask them.

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I agree on that one, but I still see a few things on the commodore site that I'm pretty sure they didn't get permission to use first.


We don't know what they have permission to use and what they don't.  If you have IP they are using without permission, your free to seek corrective measures.  

 
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Nothing wrong with the Commodore-amiga.org site, its actually the best thing C=USA or its fans have done.


It's fans, and yes it's evolving quickly under Terminill's work.

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Thats still £6 million a year, so what did they spend it on in the first year, it cant be public relation.  :roflmao:.


No, it's $6 million USD @ year if it's all done equally which I doubt.

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Did they support any Amiga show, event, developer, or any one in the community for its first year? (and don't say well they dont have a product to show, and they only just started business and only just got the rights etc etc, Aeon had only just started only just got something to show and yet still supported every major amiga event and sponsored competition and help developers.) will CommodoreUSA ever do anything like this, it would go a long way to convincing Amiga users and they would only have to spend 1% of there advertising budget, if even that. Just £50 donation towards any part of the amiga community I would be thankful from CommodoreUSA. (and again, this is not blackmail, trying to force the company to invest in an area of the market it has no interest in, but number 1. it would go along way to convincing people they do want to help the amiga community, 2. many other company in amiga world donate, even ageist their business, look at cloanto for example giving donation to make a legal free kickstart when its main business is selling these roms legally. Aeon/trever has donated and bought a lot from morphos and aros camps and he meant to be supporting OS4. 3. I think it would be seen as a good gesture from them. )


I am not expecting much out of C=USA until they are making a profit.  Which means they start selling C64x in high volume to their distribution systems.  I'm not expecting much out of WB5 either, something really worth while takes a significant amount of time which C=USA hasn't really had enough of do much.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2011, 04:06:36 PM »
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: D AROS NOT ready on prime time? HAHAHAHA .... even if AROS uses only one Core of the ATOM it is faster than Ubuntu. Linux sucks in terms of performance.. it is a secure modular OS but no multimedia system.


I don't use Ubuntu.  It depends on what garbage you add to Linux to make it a slow pig.
 
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Whatever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6qC94k1oQ
-> this was done in under 3hours.... so there was and is plenty of time ; )
Especially if you have 30Mio $.... hmpf...
 
Oh and Linux crashes also. Start experimenting and it will crash too.


I can't remember the last time my Linux box crashed, but I'm just a end user and not a Dev.  A decent OS is going to take time, AROS has taken what, 14 years to get to where it is today?  I think C=USA inked the deal with AI this past fall.  That's not much time really when you think what has to happen before the first machine can roll off the assembly line.
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Re: What the F***!
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2011, 05:35:34 PM »
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thats the best thing you've said!

look I maybe consider a troll when it come to C=USA threads and my opions on them, if they deliver everything they promised then maybe, just maybe I might do business with them and even support them, but so far a lot of promising, like they were going to support Aros, and their actions, like the ever changing Amiga fantasy case copyright text, treating legal action ageist Osnews, (hell even ageist me for my funny little youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlDagZX1vWI)  and saying thing like who gave wayne the right to the Amiga.org domain etc etc, lets just say there action to date have not really impressive me.


Give them some time to get things better sorted out and plans go to execution phase is all I'm asking.   I have a feeling by the end of this month, things will start to be clarified with facts and dates.
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