I don't get it.

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What I don't get the exclusivity some desire, especially but not exclusively on the red side. Some seem to think an ultra high price is a right of passage and keeping an ultra low user base is somehow a good thing. EVERYONE should want to grow all the communities, not run off prospective users.

They watched, "Field of Dreams" and adopted it as their business model.  I have no clue on what they are thinking by introducing a high end system that the OS can't fully use in the worst economy in a generation, maybe in two generations.   Throw in a cult attitude plus very weak marketing capabilities and you have a makings of a great full blown disaster.

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I put it down to jealousy, if a new development occurs in one "camp" the opposing camp has to shoot holes through it to justify their position.

I wouldve thought any new development in Amiga-Amigaish technology (regardless of which camp) would be better than complete stagnation.

Perhaps people are so myopic they just cant see the bigger picture.

It's fascinating, in a morbid way.

Having a bit of competition between the multiple camps is a good thing, spurs on development of new products and code.   Now if you examine the multiple camps, most of them have looked to aim pricing around $200-$400 with hardware and OS.  One camp is charging double that for their low end and their high end goes for many times higher amount.  That makes the comparison of buck:bang ratio valid between the competing products and a significant loser is going to get a drumming on how poorly they do in that comparison.  Reason majority of them are going for cheapest route possible for their platform is economic conditions by aiming at a sweet spot where it's a reasonable purchase.

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I just dont get it how these two companies, Hyperion and Aeon, plan to survive in this depressed worldwide economy, and generate revenue in a segment inside a niche market, with their current business plan.
Are they for real?

Perhaps there is some type of government sponsored bailout package they wish to apply for?  There has to be something beyond a few hundred mobo sales to do this investment over during these awful times.

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I imagine thats why there's also cheaper OS4 systems available, even though nobody seems to realize this.

Define "cheaper."

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I think a few of the forum-ers hereabouts need to go out to a bar or pub and get in a real confrontation instead of sitting in their cozy bedroom simulating it on teh interwebs where it's "nice-n-safe"(tm).

True, they may experience what real world pricing is like and what those products are capable of doing.  Amazing how technology has advanced and prices have dropped.

Shhh...

...society is about to crumble.

In Europe, I would say that is dangerously close over the next couple of years.  US is coming to it's own crossroad in the not too distant future.

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It all boils down to what you want, I might be willing to spend premium for a dedicated custom designed hardware made for AmigaOS (the AmigaOne X1000) while I wouldn't use an Open source OS on my sister dismissed PC, which would cost me nothing.

Problem is the design might be custom, the hardware is off the shelf.  There is not one specialized chip on the mobo.   That would be like bragging over a customized x86 with parts dating back from 2007 (or earlier) is a uber specialized hardware platform to run whatever OS on it.  Now I do wonder where ACube's systems come into play since your not mentioning them, they can go pound sand since they are not only for OS4?

It is about what you are trying to offer, what its your vision for the future, those that care to run the official endeavor on dedicated machines don't mind the higher price, they simply find it a more dignified dimension for Amiga to be.
Of course everyone has its own opinion, it would seem that the above one is not much respected though and attacked continuously.

Not too many are attacking individuals who are going to purchase this monsterly expensive hardware.  The companies responsible for hype for this machine that the OS can not fully use, OTOH, is fair game IMO.

Get over it. Not everybody accepts Amiga as being a vagrant OS running on other's system scraps (no matter how cheap they are), and are willing to go out of their way for Amiga not to end like that. just respect this simple concept (instead of attacking it continuously) and we will all get along nicely.
I don't see AOS4 users attacking other paradigms on purpose, just when provoked.

I'm sure they would if they have a better bang:buck ratio they could brag about.

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sadly I will have to repeat myself here as this the usual classic lovers mantra:

Your idea of custom HW is still pretty much connected to 1980's, where 2D raster  graphics game consoles (one, Lorraine, was turned into a computer) were all the rage, however we are in 2010

Then why is A-EON trying to pass this off as the new A1000?   Oh wait, it's like it, but not like it, but it's all the same, right?  A1000 had innovation with WB 1.x and OCS that had a reasonable bang:buck ratio.  A1X1K has a SoC with a dual core the OS can't fully access, a useless IO setup with a eye watering price tag.  This sure ain't the A1000 that I remember.

and if you need to decide how the computer for your OS will look like today (ie:what happens in the real world) you will have a team of  engineers sits around a table (either real or virtual) to decide what  will be best based on what  technology is "possible".

Actually the first step is to do a market survey to see what areas that are possible to exploit at a given price range.  Once a market is clearly defined then consult with the design engineers to begin forming a business plan.   Putting together a product at whatever price and hope that a market share will magically open for you is not what will work in the real world.

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@jorkany

I think this is a bad analogy.

If I came back and found my family's children living in my house, then yes, I would consider them family.

As far as I understand, and I may be wrong, but OS4 includes or has at least been derived from prior AmigaOS source codes.

In my book it therefore makes it an Amiga OS.

IIRC, from the paperwork filed during the law suit with AI, didn't Hyperion say they didn't use it (68K machine code)?

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When the X1000 was first announced I was very happy.  I would have bought an X1000 if the price had been right, but it seems like it will be too expensive, so I won't.  I have written negative things here in the past about the Teron/AmigaOne, because I thought it was overpriced junk and Sam, because I also think it's underpowered, overpriced junk.  I've also written bad things on other forums about the iPad, because it's a crappy, oversized iPod, and the MacBook Air.

I use MorphOS and Mac OS X, But that doesn't mean I would never buy a machine to run AmigaOS - I'm an amiga user for almost 20 years.  If X1000 had been 500 to 800 Euros I'd have bought one in a flash, as the hardware sounds good and is a vast improvement over previous offerings.  But I cannot justify spending the best part of 2 grand on one.

Wow, the price of the A1X1K has people sitting up and take notice over at The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/25/riscos_beagleboard/

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So you noticed that too eh?

Oops, didn't see it posted already. Sorry.