Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

[dammy]

I'll add my voice to the "No" camp.  Amiga was at a time when hardware was evolving from some pretty basic and very limited hardware to the systems we have today.  The limits back then were what could be done reasonably with the limits of hardware without making the cost prohibitive.  Today, hardware is cheap and evolving to mobile market.  Desktops are giving way to notebooks/netbooks/tablets or gaming consoles for the average person.  OSs that fail to evolve to take full advantage of hardware's physical and tech changes are doomed.

[dammy]

I agree with you, but A-eon is going to try just such a feat! :confused:

No they are not.  They are giving pretty much top possible PPC solution which will be about upper end netbook if the ARM dual cores come out at the same time.  Problem for A-EON, there isn't much further to go on the PPC road after this.  

Of course the high end netbook with dual core ARM is going to be far cheaper then the X1000.

[dammy]

Is AROS targeted to dual core ARM notebooks?  Heck you guys run on everything else, I say go for it (if you're not already).

ARM yes (Dr. Schulz is working on that project on a EFIKA-MX netbook), but AROS is stuck with the 3.1 API so I highly doubt you will see AROS ever being a full SMP OS on any system.

[dammy]

Can you sandbox your 3.1 dependencies and break away in that direction?

That was mostly the solution for AnibusOS.  Not sure what should be the follow on to Anubis at this point in time since that project is mostly dead.  But when the main dev has more time, I'll pester him this Summer on what could be done in a reasonable time period.

[dammy]

@ haywirepc

the X1000 looks promising and it's gonna be the first Amiga branded computer running AmigaOS natively in over 15 years !

First, X1000 is not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.  Second, AmigaOne with Teron mobo, was prior to the X1000.  Third, it's basically the end of the line for PPC machines, I doubt there will be anything following this dual core G4 system, if any one will be able to afford it.  Fourth, as far as desktops go, the X1000 might be considered a midrange in today's market place at best.  At worst, it's going to preform at the $300 bargain basement level.  All in all,  I know what an Amiga looks like, and the X1000 ain't it.

[dammy]

An amigaone is an amiga.

Accept it can't be called an Amiga, Hyperion only has "AmigaOne" name.

It runs amiga software, it has "amiga" in the name,  and is made by the amiga's owners.

So was the Teron mobo that Eyetech dished out.  I didn't call that an "Amiga" either.  Technically, none of them can be called an "Amiga" as that is the sole property of AI.

So weird-program-xyz doesn't run, big whup. You can't "feel" the chipset being there. The bits of bakealite soldered to the motherboard are utterly irrelevant. For future reference, an aros pc, morphos machine, and an amilithon/dedicated winuae box are all functionally amigas. else macs are not macs, and pcs are not pcs. I can't run Microsoft basic software by booting my PC with no OS anymore, can't run dos programs either under windows 7 (can't even run windows 3.1 software under windows 7). Can't run macpaint from 1984 on a mac pro. Macs are still macs, pcs are still PCs. Logically, amigas are also amigas.

For most folks, an "Amiga" was a 68K with a custom chipset.  That was pretty special back then.

Oh, and the x1000 isn't rocking a G4. It's a new processor.

It's a dual G4 SOC.  For $2000 USD, I'm not too impressed TBH.

[dammy]

Are you serious? Do you think I could, for example sell a product called "SonyOne PlayStationOne"?

Go read the settlement paperwork, it plainly states Hyperion has rights to AmigaOne but Amiga is reserved for AI.

AI.

Amiga Inc.

The company that has cesed operations and no longer exists? How can you own something that doesn't exist? At any rate Hyperion have the rights (technically a perpetual, worldwide licence) to everything. They are marketing it as a new Amiga. It is a new Amiga.

You can call it anything you wish, Hyperion and it's partners are restricted to AmigaOne designation.

Back then as in pre 1990. AGA sucked in comparison to vga, was very late, and came at a time when the mainstream had almost switched to PCs. It's not special now. It does nothing a 15 year old graphics chip can't do. To me, an amiga runs amigaOS or something that is, for all intents and purposes, an amiga. No chipset? Good. Saves development time and cost, and UAE is that way. 68K or the chipset isn't what gives it the "feeling". That's maybe the wedge case, but mostly the operating system.

I'm old school, tight integration of OS and hardware is what made the Amiga special.  X1000 does not share this status any more then ASUS mobos.

I'll go slow, maybe you'll get it this time:

IT.
IS.
NOT.
A.
G4.

Oh, G3 class cores?

[dammy]

This new dual core chip probably would have came under the name G6. It's all marketing.

Your saying the cores are not comparable to the G3, G4, nor G5 cores?  It will be very interesting to see who invested their $ with IBM (and I guess Freescale) to create a new PPC core.

[dammy]

I love these type of slamfests, they...  WHAT??? :confused:



There's more???  MORE PORNO??
AArrghhghghghhgh....

desiv

That'll probably be the first external add on to the Xena bus, a sex bot.  Guess 64K of RAM could handle it?  That'll rock Helgis' world.