Amiga.org welcomes Elbox as an advertiser.

[dammy]

oster: Wayne Date: 2003/1/8 16:45:30

Ok, how would your Mama put this, since you have no concept of what I am talking about.....

Do not come into my house insulting my guests..

It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.

I maybe behind the power curve on (won't be the first nor the last time either) this subject, but are you no longer being hosted on Amiga Inc's server?

Dammy

[dammy]

Poster: Marky_D_Sahd Date: 2003/1/9 19:30:55

Don't mind the news post, Wayne. You flick that switch on the wall and you're going to attract a few moths. But you still enlighten the place.
You did more good for ElBox with the news item, I think, than could be undone by a few trolls.

I don't see the trolls actually in this thread.  I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.  Last thing I've been reading is Amiga.org is still being hosted by Amiga Inc.  If Wayne is having to pay for the bandwidth used, then it's time, IMO, to go out on his own so he can add Genesi as a sponsor.  I have a feeling that type of money should be more then enough to cover the additional costs of a commercial host account for Amiga.org.

Now if he's attempting to generate enough startup costs associated with going to a new host, I would rather have pony up $10 via PayPal for a year's worth of posting rights and not have Amiga.org even associated with the likes of ElBox.  I don't plan to buy, ever, any of their products so it's not that big of a deal to me personally.  If it was, I would be boycotting Amiga.org.  I know I'm dissapointing Samface by not boycotting Amiga.org now, but that would take Wayne accepting $ from VMC/H&P.  

Dammy

[dammy]

oster: Wayne Date: 2003/1/10 11:13:50

Quote:
I am questioning Wayne's comments about having to generate funds for Amiga.org.
Two questions:

First, how can you possibly be confused? We are hosted by Amiga Inc on a spare machine that we pretty much had to beef up and get working. Being hosted by Amiga Inc is fine and greatly appreciated, but I personally feel it is creating a bit of a conflict of interest in itself. Remember, Amiga.org does not, nor has it ever belonged to Amiga Inc and they do not hold the only right to decide whether or not it continues. You also have to consider the effort and interest of the people involved in running it.

Your earlier statements of:

Posted : 2003/1/8 16:45



It is rude, and it is not welcomed here. They are supporting this site and.... by the way.... one of the only reasons left why you have a site to come and bitch at.

And also:

Posted : 2003/1/8 17:40



I guess I was talking to the wall then. There is a difference between speaking an opinion and puposely trying to harm the business of a company which is helping this site to survive.

Your eluding to that it's taking $ to run Amiga.org, in the present tense.  I do completely agree with you that Amiga.org needs stand independent of Amiga Inc (you have no idea how strongly I agree with you) and I understand the startup cost of starting with a remote host.  I would be the last person to critize your efforts to generate some funds for improvement (ie independent hosting) for Amiga.org.  I applaud your efforts.

However; I do find it somewhat uncomfortable on one of your chosen advertisers and your statements on Amiga.org's current funding needs when it's actually a future need.

Secondly.... nevermind. I simply don't understand how you (or anyone) can object to my soliciting donations to help us keep running this site. Hosting is not the only cost associated with amiga.org. It never has been.

Maybe, maybe not.  Since 1993, I've run a BBS, a BBS/UUCP, BBS/UUCP/ML (Amiga500 frankenstien I tell ya) and for over the first year of UUCP, I had to call from FL to WA for a daily UUCP account feed.  Then there was the BBS updates, base phoneline bills and then eventually switched to broadband.  Yeah, I think I may have a rough idea on what your shelling out in none host related expenses for Amiga.org.  

I do not think it's the mear fact of advertisers, it's the ethics associated with the advertisers and how it does or does not taint your web service that generates this debate.  If it was put up for your users to decide on either throwing a $10 via PayPal or seeing Elbox as Amiga.org's advertiser, I rather do a $10 spot knowning I did a good thing .  I know, a single $10 won't help compared to revenues generated by Elbox's add.  However; there maybe enough of us in total to equal Elbox's cash.

Dammy