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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« on: November 09, 2008, 05:42:29 AM »
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looks like Vapourware v0.1 alpha


One of the reasons Anubis-OS is being made public is to allow those devs who maybe interested get involved now.  I know of two former AROS devs who will be active in Anubis-OS.  I have a very good feeling about this, the goals are reasonable and within reach.  AROS had neither.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2008, 04:33:36 PM »
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Here's hoping it takes off. I don't think the Amiga platform will ever die so long as people who are passionate enough about the system continue to support it.


It will be a happy day when I can replace Fedora with Anubis on my daily use box.  I wanted to replace Fedora with AROS, but without a real world browser, printing, and other things that make using a computer worth while, AROS wasn't an option.  I have enough Fedora boxes to play admin on, I don't want to do that on my daily use box.  Anubis should be the happy middle that I've dreaming about.  

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2008, 04:44:58 PM »
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yay.. yet another amigaish OS, just what we need... or maybe not


No, it's not Amigaish OS, it's an OS inspired by AOS.  The internals are completely different.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2008, 06:01:17 PM »
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I assume it's x86?


Most likely x86 and PPC.  The good Dr has EFIKA and SAM440 to use.  I'm always hopeful for a eventual ARM port myself. :)

Site is still down, but there isn't much to see except for bookmarking purposes when it's back up.  I expect to see some documentation on Anubis maybe this week spelling out what Anubis is and it's objectives.  

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 06:30:28 PM »
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Amiga styled window manager on top of Linux, that is what I've gathered from AROS-EXEC.


I hope I have this straight (yes, it's confusing to me as well):

No, Linux kernel -> amiga userland.  This is not YALD (Yet Another Linux Distro), after the Linux kernel boots, it calls a program Init.  Gfx sub system is xcb so x drivers can be used which means accelerated 2D/3D.  The programming interface similar (but not the same) to the one known from AROS system.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 06:58:21 PM »
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So are we talking Amithlon or a Linux window manager?


Not Amithlon, but Amithlon is an example.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 08:27:58 PM »
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So basically it loads a linux kernel and cuts out to UAE running AmigaDos 3.9?


No, that is what Amithlon did (or as close as I can tell since I never used Amithlon).  Linux is a kernel with associated drivers (and whatever else you want to stuff in the kernel) and it calls init.  From that point on, there isn't much going to be comparable between Linux Distros and Anubis.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2008, 11:33:58 PM »
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The idea is kind of cool though, but it takes a lot more than programming to make an OS take off (that's why practically none of all the brave new OS projects gets anywhere in practice), and you are what, two programmers and one "community communicator"? It could become something cool, but I won't hold my breath!


If I knew as little as you did, I'd probably feel the same way.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 11:52:48 AM »
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You aren't going to be able to run a modern os on 68K based machines, I can't see how a back port would be possible. Also it would be nice to see it on QNX which is Microkernel based and much more designed to the Amiga ideal.


Neutrino and Dragonfly were originally considered but the question of hardware support popped up. As Apple proved, if you can hide the unix style ugliness below the GUI, even Macheads can not only use it, but brag about it.  Days of 7MHz 68000, micro kernels made sense. Today's multi core, not too many will be impacted with a slimmed down monolithic kernel.  With todays god like gfx cards, end users demand hardware acceleration for 2D/3D.  The end users have paid for a great gfx card, shouldn't they get the benefit that they paid for?

I think the Amiga Community should stop thinking of the past as the current standards and demand today's standards.  Lets compare what we demanded and got from our Amigas back in the  80s and very early 90s, we got a killer machine for minimal money.  Why is it today people will settle for the opposite, because they are chained to the past?  For the purest out there, let me remind you that C= used TripOS to base AOS on.  You and I both know if the owners of C= IP got a bunch of money, huge contracts, and old C= coders back, they would jump to a modern kernel in a heartbeat to restart AOS.  

Anubis doesn't have money, contracts, IP, but it does have a burning in the belly for what today's AOS should be. It damn well better squeeze every possible drop of horse power out of it's existing hardware, just like AOS did on the Amiga, with no excuses.  

The reason why Anubis was shoved into the public eye was not for end users for some prepay scam.  It was done to get the word out to like minded developers that they can make a difference at the beginning of a OS development.  How many Amiga devs left for Linux/BSD?  They now can put their knowledge of both AOS and Linux to work.  Anubis can be found on source forge under ARIX.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2008, 02:55:25 PM »
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So after all that you're creating a graphical shell? Woooopdedooo! Which begs the question; Why don't you just improve whats already there?


Guess you just skimmed over what I posted and not actually consider what I said.  But I fully expected those in the other camps to be noisy and you've confirmed it.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2008, 12:07:05 PM »
by paolone on 2008/11/12 14:48:26

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It's time to understand what can and can't be done, and move further. If we can have best of both worlds, well, I'll be happy with it. But I won't stay here forever, in front of my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1 and its couple of tiny apps, repeating to myself how this wonderful operating system is, and how unlucky we are. The day someone will give me a linux-based AmigaOS clone with modern feature and stronger API, I will be happy.


To all:

One of the nice things, there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis.  I expect now that two of the core devs are finishing up moving their families (non-Anubis related), Anubis development will start to pick up this month. :lotsacoffee: M0ns00n stated he thought the new web site should be open in January.  That should have documentation to settle most questions about Anubis internal works.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2008, 04:55:20 PM »
by cgutjahr on 2008/12/11 10:20:49

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If you ever wondered why people are sceptical when you talk about Anubis: This quote is a prime example.

You've been talking about UAE integration for AROS for what, seven years? And it didn't happen so far. Now you abandoned AROS, you're promoting a new project (for which not a single line of code has been written yet) and of course "there are no real show stoppers once someone decides to integrate EUAE into Anubis".


TeamAROS EUAE integration bounty was assigned to Evil Rich which he did nothing on for six months and wouldn't even respond to emails asking for status or updates.  Money has been raised for it, it's a question of someone reliable wanting the bounty.  One has to wonder if Evil Rich intentionally got the bounty to put any integration further behind schedule of OS4.1's release since he does (or did at the time) work for Hyperion as a subcontractor.  

Yes, public statements of no code being done currently is what the official statement is as nothing has yet to gone into the official SVN.  The official statement is indeed correct.  

If you want to {bleep} about AROS' lack of development, I'll gladly chime in with you, but I will point out the history behind it as well.  There are exactly four TeamAROS/Power2People bounties that I care about for AROS as they have impact on Anubis in some shape or form.  Two will eventually help Anubis and two are eating up an Anubis Dev's free time.  AROS in the mid 1990s was a great idea, but today, it's long in the tooth and I can't see it going much further then it is today.  Pity so much of my time and money failed to push AROS forward, it was not ment to be.

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2008, 05:29:52 PM »
by Crumb on 2008/12/11 12:08:31

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Nice conspiracy theory. Then why he releases E-UAE for BeOS, OSX, OS4... I guess he hates AROS.


None of the above would effect OS4 sales negatively.  Having a free Amiga like OS that has EUAE integration on dirt cheap hardware (or free hardware), would.

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BTW you don't have a clue about what Richard did or did not for OS4.1 so why you don't simply shut up instead of spreading {bleep}?


Oh, I hit a nerve huh?  Care to enlighten me on why Evil Rich didn't reply to repeated emails or at the very least, post something on AE stating he was withdrawing from the bounty instead of letting it drag out, month after month?

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Re: A new Amiga OS ??????
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2008, 09:19:49 PM »
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Obviously, Rich eats small children for breakfeast. All OS4 developers do.


What part of Evil Rich being a subcontractor for Hyperion did you miss?

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You don't get the point: I don't think you're doing the Anubis project any favours with your current behaviour.


Because I'm calling attention to being shafted by Evil Rich who happens to be a subcontractor to Hyperion?  Whatever.

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