Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[dammy]

The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

Let me point out besides x86, AROS is also x86_64 plus our dear Tigger is working on porting AROS to EFIKA in early 08.  Once that is done, I highly expect AROS to be ported SAM440 shortly after that. Besides all that, there is a initial porting bounty for ARM. AROS is clearly not about hardware, it's about freedom.

Dammy

[dammy]

failing all this development things seems to be happening quicker with aros. i was also pinning my hopes on that. just need a browser now...

Then keep an eye on this for OSB Bounty.

Dammy

[dammy]

AROS is not Amiga, so it is not the Amiga future.

Thank the Great Spirit for that! :evilgrin:

Dammy

[dammy]

What piece of hardware does AROS run native on ie . . . Graphics, sound, enet etc. . . And I mean stable, not hosted?

AROS been running native on x86 (and very recently x86_64) for many a moon.  Most unstable part of AROS is Wanderer, sad but true.  List of drivers is incomplete, but there is a list of hardware.  Native PPC is in active developement.  But to answer your question, I'm not really sure what your definition of a "complete OS" would be so 08 maybe the year?

Dammy

[dammy]

AROS will be BIG once it has a form of UAE integration built in. After that it will be on par with and will exceed MorphOS and OS4.

EvilRich is still accepting donations.  :-)

Dammy

[dammy]

The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

I'll dissagree, AROS is currently x86, x86_64, and PPC Linux hosted.  As you probably know, PPC native on a EFIKA is in developement by our own Tigger with SAM440 waiting in the wings.  What I'm looking for is SMP on x86_64 and the first step towards ARM.  

OK, so maybe I gave an irrational twitch when I see the word "Intel" being used as a label on AROS.  What I'm trying to point out that AROS belongs to the masses of users and archs.  IMO, AROS should be about the OS as hardware is just hardware. Which hardware is going to be used should be up to the end user.  If the end user decides to buy hardware from one of the OEMs (and is it ever nice to say that now) that are supporting AROS, everyone wins.  If not, throwing some beer money at the AROS devs is the next best thing.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[dammy]

AI just don't like it, because that way it destroys the market for their overpriced (A1) or vapor (ACK) hardware dongles.

That and piracy of their OS. I doubt they are too concerned with A1 owners booting the OS4 up on a mini-Mac, but the piracy of their OS by those not owning a A1 should be of high concern to them.  I expect to see emergency petitions going to the Federal court sometime this week by AI and Itec.

Dammy

[dammy]

This boot CD is useless without an actual copy of OS4. It just lets you boot OS4 itself.

Guess if there is no OS4 on ftp or bittorrent, it's all safe. :-D

Dammy

[dammy]

1. AInc already knew about Project Moana's existence (which is what we could have the code for here).

Which was kept in closed developement and not leaked to the public.  Now it's leaked, so it is Hyperion's problem.

2. Hyperion have never publicly endorsed Moana, the work was done by ACube, who had access to the source code as a trusted partner/developer. Therefore, Hyperion have nothing to do with this, and it won't affect the outcome of the court cases.

No, it should be Hyperion's issue as they authorized Acube access to AI's IP.  Hyperion went out on a limb, which has now snapped off.  Hyperion could in turn sue Acube, but I doubt they will do that. AI, OTOH, could sue both Hyperion (already doing so) and Acube for the careless handling of their IP and revoking all contracts (which they did).

So yes, this should have an impact on the court case as this gives base to AI's claims of being an injured party.

Dammy

[dammy]

Considering that this software could help to alleviate the dire shortage of suitable hardware, some may think it's worthy of extreme praise.

For those A1 owners already own a legal OS4 PPC copy, that's wonderful news for them.  For anything else, this is just going to facilitate piracy and obviously someone has violated AI's IP rights.  When you deal with closed sourced software, you have to agree to abide by their rules, like it or not.

Dammy

[dammy]

Quote:

    dammy wrote:
    No, it should be Hyperion's issue as they authorized Acube access to AI's IP.



But did they break the terms of the contract?

Look at page 31 of this document:
http://merlancia.us/amiga-hyperion/35-5decmcewenexhibit5show_case_doc.pdf

Discussing Moana, Bill McEwan says:
"How do you have access to OS 4 source code?"

Nicola Morocutti replies:
"We don't have direct access to the source... we are working with some Italian OS4 developers and with Hyperion as well."

Nicola goes on to say that Hyperion had only really acted as consultants. Show me the part of Hyperion's contract where this consultation is illegal.

Reread what I said please as I didn't say it was illegal contractually for Hyperion to work with OS4 Devs.   Hyperion did have a responsibility to make reasonable and prudent safe guards of their partner's IP when dealing with third parties which seems not to have happened in this situtation.   That is what AI can hammer Hyperion on.

Dammy

[dammy]

I for one have been wanting to buy OS4 even since I used a development 68k version back in 2003. An AmigaOne was out of my price range then, and I sold my BlizzardPPC back in 2000. I've been waiting over 4 years to buy OS4, enough is enough. If I can get it working on my PC under emulation, or on an old Mac I'll pay Hyperion for a copy and do it. Otherwise God know how much longer Amiga Inc will keep us waiting for new hardware.

Accept they can not sell it to you.  The only way legally for you to do so is to buy a A1, working or other wise.  Else, your committing an illegal act of piracy.

Dammy

[dammy]

Why can't I buy the Classic version from Amikit? Admittedly it will need some playing with, but everything should be there to get it working.

I'll admit that is possible, although highly remote you would be ever able to get a OS for PPC/68K custom chipset combo to work on a alien G4 system without source code.

Dammy

[dammy]

Maybe you should tell some of the more vocal AROS advocates to STFU then. The impression that I got was that AROS developers have no interest in OS4 compatibility at all, see it as inferior, blah blah blah.

My, what a lovely attitude. :roll:  There is a bounty for a AROS PPC MOS wrapper/emulator, I see no reason why there can not be one for OS4.  In the past month, I've seen AROS (think it was Zune) being brought into line with OS4 version.  

Dammy
TeamAROS