Amiga OS 4 should be ported over to the xx86.

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forget X86 we need it in AMD64

You mean like this?

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One is that I dont really want it to be involved in the Mhz race, where only the fastest speeds will do, which is how Mac and Windows seem to be doing things at the moment.

CPU MHz race is dead.  It's now FSB speed/bandwidth, multi-cores, GPUs, and PPUs.  If that isn't Amiga style having all these seperate processors churning away vs .286 of let the CPU do everything, don't know what is.  Instead of having another small bump in 486 speed to look forward to next year, it's quad cores and amazing GPUs that they won't tell us about for six more months.

Hard to believe it's been nearly 20 years since I saw an Amiga demo that had moving reflective water that made my eyes pop open.  Now it's breath taking gfx of DAoC or BF2 on huge honking LCD screens.  "What a long strange trip it's been." Greatful Dead

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The possibility to build a custom machine, which is not yet another x86 mobo which has already its load of OSes

So they bought a generic third party PPC mobo instead?  Someone needs a sign, real bad like.

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@ TheMagicM

The reason for the lack of apps is no secret, it's lack of developers.  AROS gets new ones, old one fade away so when AROS starts getting fresh blood with the old devs sticking around and producing code, you will see AROS increase in user apps.  As a stop gap, there is now a significant bounty for UAE integration via TeamAROS that maybe a quick and dirty way to get more (although Amiga 68K binaries) user apps running on AROS.  Currently, TeamAROS and a developer are in talks on creating a better definition of what is to be done.  Keep an eye on this.

Install is still annoying, but two devs (Ogun and Kalamatee) are working to pin point the issue(s) with the native install.  Best bet it to run it emulation or hosted, see this for instructions for hosted, emulated, and native.

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So the "custom" chips in the original amiga weren't a good thing?

It was an excellent idea at the time when tech market was the wild wild west era, and a creative individuals could carve out an empire from the beginnings of a house garage.  Eye popping gaming capabilities had to be created that was affordable.  Hence, the Amiga was born.  Today, if you want to revisit the wild wild west, you can either take a flight to your favorite watering hole or take the Interstate Highway.  If you think you can get there by horse and wagon, be prepared to meet certain traffic laws, enviromental laws and certain death from a auto accident.  Until you can create a time machine, live for today, not the past.

In my oppinion custom is a good thing, as long it's not a cause for being a pain in the arse to program for. If you join the x86 side, you'll be running along-side the "big boys" Microsoft, Apple, and Linux in the eyes of the public.

In other words, no one is going to be able to rip off folks for common hardware.  How sad, only making 10 or so buck from a sale of a mobo. /sniffles.  As for the eye of the public, it's even worse when they find it's over priced and way under preforming.  Remember, Amiga was CHEAPER then those ghastly 286 boxes and was far better at games with stereo sound, no less.  That is the reason it's so near and dear to us, best bang for the buck.

Is it any wonder that a generic miniATX series mobo that happen to sport a slow PPC that was seriously over priced and buggy went over like a lead balloon in sales with the public?  Wake up an smell the coffee!  Reality says you have to be competitive in the real world.  Just ask Eyetech.

At this moment in time funds are limited and large leaps in technology are not really on the horizon, so i think Amiga would fair much better creating it's own section of the market, and gain it's own fan base like that then trying to catch up with the large companies and essentially becoming a "PC" in the process.

Sadly, Eyetech already did that with the A1 which was a generic (third party no less) mobo that happen to sport a PPC CPU (plus buggy chipset) and a boingball logo.  The only difference between a A1 and x86 mobo, the x86 was a franction of the price, the chipsets worked with common obtained additions (aka RAM) and warranties are usually honored.  So why don't you call old Allen up, tell him you got the perfect business model for him.  He'll love it!

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Using your own comparison, personally I'm not seeking for the wild wild west, rather the excitement of that era.

Talk to Cloanto, they will hook you right up.  It's just like being there.

... and a OS specifically made for it.

No, it was a port of WB 3.1 from a 68K Amiga to PPC.  That's the reason Hyperion does not have ownership of OS4, it's mearly licensed it (which apparently Amiga Inc triggered the buy back option).

You're forgetting at least one other difference: the fact that we have now a single motherboard set as standard with its own OS, and not just an OS with a very poor support for the vast array of hardware in the x86 market. Isn't this a difference, too?

Not at all, take a look at the AROS has for support of nForce mobos.  The only chipset not very well supported in nForce4 and that is because it's fairly new and not many of the Devs haven't bought themselves nForce4 mobos, yet.  You forget, I was in the business of selling x86 with AROS, I personally funded most of the AROS support of nForce chipsets.  It not very difficult to target a given chipset.  Just open your eyes and talk to developers which is the best for the least amount of work.  Amazing things happen when you keep your ego in check, you can actually make good judgements calls.

BTW, keep an eye on this bounty.  I can see some big changes coming after that one is completed.

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opposed to intel and amd you can go to ibm and have any powerpc cpu you could ever imgaine created to suit your spefic needs. with power/powerpc you are covered in every imaginable product from space shuttles and supercomputers to coffeemachines, pda's and childrens toys.

1. How much does it cost to get Big Blue to customize a PPC core?

2. Why not just stick with AMD or Intel and have them customize a x86 core for your needs?  It's got to be cheaper.

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It's a good thing none of the next generation consoles are using Power PC processors in their machines, or that would surely be a catastrophic business decision..

My bad, I thought we were in referencing desktop computers and not game boxes.  Game boxes, PDA, cellphone, whatever CPU floats your boat.

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by Waccoon on 2006/9/23 5:22:33

OK, how much does it cost to have a custom CPU made? 50 bucks? Can you have those chips made by anybody, or just IBM? What will you do in 5 years if you can't have another custom CPU made for some reason?

With the track record of PPC's developement by IBM (who knows what's Mot's is going to do with their new owners) of the PPC, it should still be close to their upper end CPU desktop.  Apple is no long there beating the drum for faster  developement of the PPC, why should IBM give a rat's ass on how fast the embedded CPU is developed?  Want real horsepower?  Go by a Power5 system.  Wanna bet some on here will say that is a perk?

I assume you'd like to spend $2,500 for a motherboard just for the novelty of having a custom-built PPC that is unlike any other? Guess why server/workstation boards are so much more expensive than desktop boards.

Logical debate over CPU archs died awhile ago when those denying reality started their PPC cult.  As a group, they can enable each other as individuals to deny reality of the situation.  Just like any other cult.  The funny thing is to pin them down on why PPC has been such a huge failure in the  desktop market.  They will claim it's a lack of advertising that killed Eyeteck but when you point to IBM's (and Apple's till recently) advertising budget and Apple still left them, they will say it was lack of knowledge of the greatness of the PPC on Jobs' part.  Kinda sad to watch this happen, like a fish in it's last dieing moments in a dried up pond, unable to escape the reality of time being up for it's survival.

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