mac and pc sucks!!!!

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Ironically, the page has links to many farbrausch demos. All of which are superb

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Are we honestly taking the thread seriously? It has four exclamation marks in the title.

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Which is one hell of a difference. Every desktop enviroment, toolkit and even the X Window system itself is universally shite

Yeah, whatever. This, from the guy that complained about editing startup sequence files.

Granted the X server is the least robust part of any linux install, but there are a huge number of window managers, widgetsets etc. To insist that every single one of them is shite is the sort of drivel I'd expect from a complete moron that has barely used any of them for more than 10 minutes.

At least I used OSX for almost 2 years solidly before deciding it wasn't for me.

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Funnily enough, I tend to agree about the file requester layout in most X based desktops. I don't agree that everything about X and every window manager ever written for it are "shite" though. That's just not a sensible statement.

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We'll speak for ourselves, kthxbai.

Would this be a bad time to pearoast the butthurt form?

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Hmm, well at least I've found material for my next blog post.

All part of the service :lol:

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Therefore, we need to look to the X1000 to conquer the low quality Intel garbage, so when it comes out I'm gonna get one, even if I have to sell a kidney or part of my liver (alcohol free) to fund it. More likely, I'll just have to save up a few month's pay for it.

Meanwhile, here in the 21st century, I'm finding that the "intel garbage" is actually pretty good. I still have 68K and PPC based amiga machines, which are fun too. But by no stretch of the imagination is the processor in my main machine "garbage".

Must be some weird parallel universe you inhabit where x86 didn't go 64-bit / SSE3 / multicore and PPC is still relevant outside of hobbyist platforms, embedded systems and old routers.

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A modern PC, even a proper laptop (ie DELL XPS 17" range not Intel integrated graphics rubbish btw) is a fantastic bit of kit technically speaking but...

1. Windows is utter crap...is it 25 years worth of computer development in hardware comparable ahead of KS/Wb on the A1000? No!

2. The PC is so fast only because it needed to run ever more bloated and useless OS releases from Microdorks

So you can't have one without the other really.

As the_leander says, I mostly use linux day to day. And it runs very nicely indeed. I recently tried haiku and even with VESA driver support only, flew like the proverbial muck off a shovel.

In the end, who said anything about Windows? In any event, bloated as it is, the proof is in the usage. Last time I booted into Windows, it ran all my games at their highest detail settings, full antialiasing and with all sorts of 3rd party "HD" mods for even larger, more detailed textures etc. at decent frame rates. Since the install isn't full of miscellaneous of crap that so many windows users feel the need to pollute their systems with, even windows itself runs fine.

Considering that's all I ask of windows on that machine, I can't really complain.

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Thats all simply a function of the lightning fast hardware that even a low end x86 machine has these days.

And that's bad because?

A simple thing like pulling down a menu in my multi-core, multi Ghz, mult Gb ram Ubuntu system, and the menu contents are drawn more slowly than a 14 mhz 2 meg A1200.

LOL. Really? I can't say I've noticed the same problem. Quite the reverse, actually On my 040, with 256MB ram and 8MB Permedia 2 graphics card, I notice that a simple thing like closing a window demonstrates how slow the old hardware is. I can see the workbench background image redrawing to fill the area where the window was. The only way not to see it is to use the default grey background.

Its "sticks" as i go across the menu bar and the next men u is drawn and populated and the old one erased Move your pointer down the menu bar a little faster, and the selection jumps over the menu items as the OS can't keep up with the pointer.  FFS it just FEELS shit.

Nope, I don't even get that on my single-core P4 work machine with just 1GB, which is running fedora 10 with gnome. That's a lot less horespower than my home machine.

Perhaps there is some small persistence, there's no way really to be sure on this monitor. However, even if there were, unlike the default OS 3.x install, opening a menu does not lock the entire screen until the menu is released. Overall, a fair trade off, if you as me.

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So AROS is just a hobby then? I would think that it has as much potential as Linux to become a popular desktop OS.

As much as I like AROS so far, I don't think that's realistic without some major changes.

It would require proper memory protection before that can realistically happen. These days people do not expect the machine to be brought down by an application bug. Unfortunately, robust memory protection and the AmigaOS IPC mechanism don't sit particularly well together.

Secondly, nobody that's paid good money for a multicore processor is going to want to use a primary OS that isn't capable of SMP.

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It's all horses for courses.

I have 64-bit linux for my day to day use. It does everything I need to do and is pretty robust too. However, it doesn't do everything I want to do. Despite having nvidia's proprietary drivers, it's a crap gaming platform. Not because it isn't capable, but nobody really writes any decent games for it. And no, Doom3 and Quake4 don't really cut it. There's Wine, and related spin-offs, of course, but they don't really give bang up to date support.

No matter, people say. Get a console here. Never mind that the box I am running linux on has a quad core and what was a high end gfx card (now obsoleted by newer devices, but ho hum) and that I don't really want to fill my place with consoles.

So, I dual boot a 64-bit Windows. Vista, in fact (not purchased a copy of 7 yet). Does it give me any hassle? No. Does it play up to date games properly? Yes.

Considering that from a technical perspective, modern games are the most demanding desktop applications you are likely to run, stressing CPU, GPU and IO alike, it seems strange that an OS considered so darned awful would make such a good job of it, running titles for hours on end without any issues.

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You always find a use for more power.

I used my mere 4-core system once to run four separate instances of E-UAE, all of which were able to run flat out in JIT mode, each individually outperforming any of my "real" amigas by a breathtaking margin.

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This redraw argument is total b*llocks.

I have 2 RTG equipped 68040 amigas. Both machines have a visible redraw of the background whenever a layer is closed. Whilst it is true that only the area that was obscured is redrawn, the fact is that it is highly conspicuous. The only time you don't notice it is if you have the default "colour index zero" as your background.

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i don't have my CV64 68060 A4000 to check it up and running, but I don't remember any re-draw delays.  At least AmigaOS doesn't feel the need to re-draw every icon on the desktop just for the hell of it.

Well, on both my 8MB Permedia2/CGX 4 and 32MB Voodoo3000/P96 I see it in OS3.1, 3.5 and 3.9. I think I even noticed it in OS4.0 on the Permedia, though it was less conspicuous.

Just stick a nice workbench background image, open a few windows, move them, resize them, close them. I even notice it when using a fill colour (in wbpattern prefs) other than the default grey.

If you don't get a similar visible redraw, let me know what your settings are and I'll try them. The smart/simple refresh only seems to apply to window contents (GUI gadgets) on my machines.