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Re: Commuter shot in rush hour
« on: May 26, 2007, 06:51:44 PM »
There have been about three fatal shootings within five minutes walk from here since 2001 :-/
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Re: Commuter shot in rush hour
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2007, 02:40:03 PM »
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You can't use a gun to prepare vegetables for dinner, to put up shelves or go to the supermarket.


Probably handy for those occasions when you are in a rush and really want to jump the queue at the checkout though. I dare say the teller would give you a 100% discount too...

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Seriously though, I agree. I really do not see relaxing the gun laws actually helping in any way whatsoever. Criminals automatically have the upper hand in that they would simply get (illegally) whatever force multiplier they need to gain the upper hand over whatever resistance they feel they are likely to face.

Law abiding Mr Smith and his handgun and conscience is not going to win any confrontation with Mr Criminal, lack of conscience, illegally armed with a machine pistol of some description.

Hypothetically speaking, in such a situation our erstwhile X-Ray would likely be in the morgue whilst the pathologist counts the number of entrance and exit wounds on his body. Along with whoever was stood near him when the situation escalated to the point where the burst of rapid fire erupted in his general direction.
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Re: Commuter shot in rush hour
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2007, 09:13:43 PM »
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Once again, if that was the case, the police would never be able to take these scum bags down


Fully trained armed police unit != Joe Bloggs responsible gun owner.

We are talking about the instance of an individual member of the public taking on said criminal(s), not the police. There is a significant difference here. Even if the police have inferior weapons, they likely have superior tactics and force of numbers. Even one-on-one, training alone helps level the playing field. Surely you don't see an ordinary, legal gun owning member of the public as belonging to the same category?


The machine pistol was just a daft example to get the point across about upping the ante. In reality, I expect larger calibre handguns and perhaps shotguns would be more likely. What is surely more likely is that determined criminals would be more inclined to shoot first if they think there is a risk they might get shot back.

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But don't assume that not pulling will appeal to the criminal's sense of honour and result in less deaths at the scene.


I don't expect gun toting criminals to have any sense of honour in the first instance. However, self-preservation is something they probably do have, so the first sign of someone reaching for a gun in self-defence might be all the excuse they need to open fire. After all, they are probably going to have drawn their weapons first. That simple fact alone gives them a tactical advantage over their victim.
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Re: Commuter shot in rush hour
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 10:57:35 AM »
@metalman

Should I look for examples having the opposite outcome? How many do you think I'll find, even if I just stick to the timeframe between your oldest and most recent?
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