which is best for music Atari or Amiga

[mrmoonlight]

An interview with an old Amiga user a few people may know...

Good reading my friend ,enjoyed it very much,best wishes Brian.

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A tribute to atari on a.org this time... is incredible how the amiga always loses on a.org, sorry for the comment but its funny.

lol no losers my friend just two brilliant computers and some excellent comments ,but funny yes.:laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:

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Amarok was composed on the Amiga!? Wow! That I didn't know, and basically nullifies any argument the ST guys can come up with.

Mr Moonlight will have post back here, his experiences with the platform when he has had a chance to play with it

Hi bloodline I will hold you to that because if I get a problem and this being a Amiga forum can I come back here if I need help with my Atari lol or is that taking it a bit far and expecting too much generosity from our wonderful Amiga community ,lol very best wishes and I have to say I have had a right chuckle reading all the comments Brian.

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Hi I still not sure what was used on Mike Oldfield albums
     
      Re: MIKE OLDFIELD USED AMIGA TO CREATE & PRODUCE HIS ALBUM AMAROK
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From: overthere...            @Trixie

I really think he used Creator on the Atari, because that's the precursor to Notator...

Mike Oldfield did use software from C-Lab: as told here

So no Amiga i'm afraid.

P.S. I used to play around a lot with Midi software on the Amiga in the late 80's. According to a well known TV presenter/Musician in Holland who did use Amiga's (Hi-Tec band) he was beta-testing Cubase for the Amiga, but apparently it never surfaced and I switched to Atari/Cubase for my Midi-needs (still used the Amiga for all other stuff

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I'm still not sold... If Mike Oldfield didn't use an Amiga, how would he know the name. I've never seen him confuse the names of hardware before, in fact he has always been very pedantic about the hardware he uses. I'm not saying he did use an Amiga, I just don't see enough evidence yet to show he didn't

 
 Hi and I too am not totally convinced  as Mike Oldfield surely knew what he had used ,I half hope he did use the Atari but as with  jare michael jare there's plenty to show he used the Atari ,no mistake ,I would love to know the real answer ,best wishes Brian.

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For myself, the Amiga is as much an instrument as it is a machine for music production. I love the colour it adds to basic sounds. Non linear DAC, quantisation noise, aliasing they all add to Paula's charm.

I've never had any serious latency issues with midi. I expect having an accelerated machine helps. Although I believe the EClock timer should be more than accurate enough.

I've never tried it but I imagine ST emulation might be an option if you must use cubase or similar.

 Hi Karlos  I have to agree the Amiga is a fine machine /instrument and I have been very impressed with the quality of the sound ,but after reading so much about the Atari and all the brilliant Artists that have used it ,the Atari must hold some thing very special for so many to have used it ,which is why I have just ordered but not yet received, this does not mean the end of my Amiga journey as the the Amiga are my pride and joy and will remain so .best wishes Brian

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Interesting and cool thread, and mrmoonlight you are my hero of the day! Loved that video haha!

On the subject I'd like to add: Never underestimate the obsolete!

Another perspective I tend to have in my head is that the Amiga is the "turntable of computers" - You don't have the in built sound source, you submit to intriguing limitations, and from there you can take anything and do everything.. be an inventive turntablist or producer =)

The most obscure professional music I've come across yet who made their mark using an Amiga is the Nasenbluten (nosebleed) group from New Zealand.. More 'mainstream' and familiar name for house/techno lovers might be Jori Hulkkonen from Finland.

Hi lol I have never been anyone's Hero before ,but I do thank you my friend and compliment you on a wonderful write up ,now I have just been on youtube and have to ask is this Nasenbluten you speak of ,because this is awesome and here's the link http://youtu.be/jky5-kKbY98
very best wishes Brian

ps Hi I have just read the notes that go along with the video and it mentions the Amiga 500 ,surely not lol
now I am getting excited lol
 
 ps Wow I take my hat off to you my friend because the humble Amiga 500 which I have just read about not only starred on Nasenbluten,s  music but lead the way ,nice one my friend and there's loads more of there Amiga based music on youtube by the same band ,thank you ever so much for posting its been a real treat ,very best wishes Brian.

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He did say he used Amiga. For concept sketching. Never said he used it for recording composition.

Hi this is perfectly true because I cant find any thing where he actually said he recorded with the Amiga ,but just as a matter of interest did you ever make music using the Atari st  or use the Atari as a way of controlling music in any way ,best wishes Brian.:lol::lol:

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Cheers, Brian!

Yes that's the same group, albeit they originate from Newcastle, OZ, not New Zealand.. my bad.

From Discogs.com this note: "Most famous for their raw productions on Amiga's ProTracker and their early records on Industrial Strength."
There's a photo with a couple of 1200s on their mixdeck, if you click "more pictures"

The wikipedia article on them have a link to an interview from 2005, with an artist named Dsico:

"What do you think is the most influential Australian music release of all time and why?

In a way, the most influential stuff for me was probably Nasenbluten and the Newcastle Hardcore scene.
I grew up around there and I just wouldn’t have ended up here without the radio show that Mark N used to do on 2NUR. Amiga 500 Hardcore was probably what got me into electronic music and especially making it."

   Hi wonderful stuff my friend  and great pic of the 1200 s    going to read up now on the interview ,hard to believe the 500 was used so much ,but so pleased very best wishes Brian.

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Well last time I posted I was awaiting an Atari st with 4mb upgrade ,well it arrived and the courier gave it to some one who did not even live in the same building as myself  they even signed for it and that was the last we saw of it ,
   but it did not end there I bought another Atari st off Ebay and had this delivered to my works address , which arrived and I could not wait to take it home ,so off I rushed and I arrived safely  and eagerly but carefully set the Atari st up ,turned the power on and wow we were on fire ,unbelievable I know ,but true ,all that was left was the case and a very Smokey   motherboard ,maybe I can repair it one day lol  before I throw myself off a cliff lol
     Meanwhile not one for giving up I spot a Atari STE with upgrade on Ebay and have bought that and again I am eagerly awaiting delivery
    any way I have bought a Casio CTK-591 with midi in and midi out and as I already have a Amiga midi interface, connected all the midi cables and sound etc  and have been putting the Amiga 1200 through its paces and I have to say it is brilliant ,taking in to account I am not used to midi and not completely sure what I am doing ,also I am using Music Deluxe 2 so all's well at the moment ,but still want to see what the Atari can do ,best wishes Brian.

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WTF!? You must have grounds to make a claim for the loss of the package! Whoever stole it probably dumped it as soon as they realised it was anything "of value"

Hi and yes a claim has gone in for the stolen one so we will have to wait and see,and the one that caught fire the seller gave a full refund and asked if I would like to keep the fire damaged one which I have and might put a new motherboard in it ,so all is not lost ,is there a good midi book or some information that I can get hold of only the Music Deluxe 2 has no manual ,best wishes Brian.

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MIDI is really pretty simple - it's just one node telling another every note press/release, controller change (i.e. pitch bend,) patch change, etc. that happens, on one of 16 channels. Is there something specific about it that's got you confused?

Anyway, now that you're into MIDI, you're gonna have to get into collecting MIDI synthesizers...

Hi yes when I need to raise the volume on a certain instrument I do not see any where in the music Deluxe 2 software to increase it just for that channel ,in yet it has to be there surly ,lol  and is that software synthesizers or hardware synthesizers I need to be collecting lol

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Ah. Deluxe Music 2 I think predates the introduction of channel-specific volume control to the MIDI standard and so it doesn't know about it. What you need there is to send CC #7 messages with the appropriate volume level on the appropriate channel. (This was the plain Volume CC before it was channel volume, so Deluxe Music might know it under that name.) Your CTK is certainly new enough to recognize it as such, in any case. You can see a listing of the official MIDI CCs here. If DM2 gives you trouble with that (I'm not familiar with its interface, so I don't know,) the Expression CC sometimes functions similarly (though it might alter the timbre or something as well, depending on the synth in question.)

(And: hardware, hardware, hardware. Once you get a taste for the character of real old-school hardware synths, nothing else will do )

Truly grateful my friend I will get there in the end and will certainly have a go at what you suggest ,and I am going to have a quick look at some synths very best wishes Brian.

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DeluxeMusic 2 does have volume control for individual staffs. Look for "ff" button on the Tool Window (It's below the eraser). It ranges from fff (loudest) to ppp (softest). It affects both the Amiga channels as well as the MIDI channels (if you use them).

I, myself, have a Casio CZ-101 synth, which I have had since the late 1980's. I got it in order to add another 4 channels to the 4 built-in to the Amiga for a grand total of 8 channels. I mixed the Amiga and Casio channels with a Radio Shack mixer before outputting them to my amplifier. Had a nice mix of Amiga Sampled sounds and the warm Synth sounds of the Casio. Composed quite a lot of tunes with this setup: Deluxe Music, ECE MIDI, Amiga 2000, Casio CZ-101, Sharp Receiver/Amp, Radio Shack mixer and a CZ Librarian/Bank Loader called CZAR. Never could figure out the Trackers though one day I hope to (OctaMED Sound Studio). Would also like to learn Bar's N Pipes as well.

 
 Hi thanks my dear friend you are right and I have got it sorted ,another piece in the jigsaw ,best wishes Brian

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You want a real flame war?

Amiga - Better sound chip, better TRACKER software
Atari - Built in MIDI, better Sequencer software

If you want a real killer its called ATARI FALCON, no Amiga can touch it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Falcon

So many choices I am spoilt for choice ,truly grateful my friend best wishes Brian

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Wow what a super post this is and I do thank you commodorejohn  
 totally amazing right down to the last detail ,this is going to take me quite a while to digest and I do appreciate it ,truly grateful my friend very best wishes and off to start reading Brian.