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Re: Mozilla???
« on: December 07, 2003, 02:43:29 PM »
Moved to 'software issues & discussion'.

Mozilla for AmigaOS and compatibles development is advancing like an asthmatic ant with some heavy shopping.
 

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Re: Mozilla???
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 03:34:39 PM »
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What an incredibly insightful contribution to this thread.
 

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Re: Mozilla???
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2003, 06:22:25 PM »
I recently changed from Mozilla to Firebird (browser) and Thunderbird (mailnews).

I used to not like Firebird, but now I've managed to find out enough about it to customise it to be as close as possible to Mozilla the browser, and avoiding the IE-a-likeness about it.  Thunderbird is good enough to replace Mozilla Mail, IMO, and my requirements for a mail client are many :-)  I thought I'd explain that as people might be pointing fingers at me, as I have been a strong Mozilla (and not Firebird) supporter in the past.

Anyway, back on point.  Firebird/Thunderbird /might be a more practical option for AmigaOS, if there is a GUI toolkit capable of providing everything they need.  I'm not sure there is.  Admittedly some of the features, like the way toolbar customisation is implemented, could be reworked, so that it isn't a 100% accurate port, but hmm.

 

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Re: Mozilla???
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2003, 07:57:54 PM »
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At this point in time I think it would be much more usefull to focus on improvements to the browsers we already have.

I think this is important, but IMO what is more important is to encourage variety.

Eg.  If Mozilla for Amiga was released and worked acceptably, it might encourage others to push development on a bit.  IBrowse hasn't had any significant functionality additions for as long as I've used it, which is a good few years.

Innovation slows to a standstill without competition.  IE is a perfectly good example of this.  While it had competition, it became better and better.  Once the competition had been wiped out, MS didn't want to know anymore.  Look at IE now.  MS have officially said that they are not going to release any new versions of it.  It will only be developed per operating system shipment.  IE hasn't had anything usefully new in years.

I realise that IBrowse doesn't have a large team of developers with it.  TBH I don't know if IB3 is in active development or its situation at all, I've just heard some promises of new functionality and nothing further.  I heard for a while that IB3 was going to be shipped with OS4, but since then I think I've heard only v2.3 will be shipped with OS4.

Let's not turn this into a browser "this versus that", or "this feature is really needed" argument, because it's been done many times before.

Variety is the spice of life.
 

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Re: Mozilla???
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2003, 08:03:29 PM »
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Wondering if M$ will poach tabs from Mozilla in next big release of IE?


There will be no new version of IE for legacy operating systems, ever, so MS have officially said.  This includes WinXP.  IE is only going to be developed for a new OS release, and no upgrades, just security patches.

I've seen a couple of screenshots of Longhorn which has IE and tabs.

I think MS may have to revise their strategy, because "upgrade fever" is one thing that has kept users using their web browser.  However upgrading OS is an upgrade too far for most users.  Plus it typically costs money.

From the browser stats of a number of websites I monitor, IE's share is decreasing by about half a percent per month.  All of the competitors seem to be benefiting.
 

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Re: Mozilla???
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2003, 08:18:06 PM »
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I guess so, although I don't expect anything of IBrowse, I don't even have the latest version my point was that it does what I need it to do, nothing else.

IMO IBrowse is seriously lacking.  I'm not sure its featureset is even on par with Netscape 3, and that's saying something :-)

I don't like AWeb's "buttons in the right hand corner", and functionality wise it seems to be the same as IBrowse.

The other good thing about Mozilla development is that for potential users migrating to Amiga/compatibles, they have a direct compatible stepping stone.  They might then choose to change to a more Amiga native web browser, but that choice is open to them.