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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« on: June 12, 2003, 02:42:08 PM »
@ _LinchpiN_

NO! I want to play £20 for it, that's all I will pay, and I want it NOW!  Oh yeah, and every game on the planet has to be ported to it the moment I buy the hardware.


 

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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2003, 06:23:00 PM »
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Amiga is never going to be able to fully leverage all the current technologies the PC is using today - and the reason is ... PowerPC


Never say never... imho.  :-)
 

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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2003, 07:54:10 PM »
@ _LinchpiN_

Sorry, only prototypes.  I can't sell them.  There are also issues running the G9 at anything above 5GHz, I'm trying to fix that problem at the moment.  However, I've written a G9-optimised Quake 3 executable that loads all the pak files into the 1GB L2 cache, and 2048x1536 timedemos are going at ~1047FPS.  Trying to tweak that a bit more.

It should be ready for mass production "real soon now".  Unfortunately the price might have to go up to £25.
 

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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2003, 07:59:21 PM »
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It is the slowdown in OS4 development that has caused a slowdown in the hardware development.


I don't think so somehow :-)

There are a few reasons why PPC architecture has been slow:

  - Motorola don't care
  - PPC doesn't sell even 5% as much as x86 does, therefore less funds for development
  - Apple like blatantly overpricing their stuff (IMO)
  - When there's only one significant vendor for a particular architecture, there's no competition, where there's no competition there's no development*, and this all equals expensive hardware.

It has nothing to do with OS4.

* - ooh, that was nearly a Yoda EP1 quote in the making :-)
 

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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2003, 09:25:41 PM »
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Hard to believe, but OS4 relates directly to the sales of A1 hardware.

Ho ho ho.  Except that no-one to do with the AmigaOne or OS4 designed the Articia S chipset, which holds back a number of innovations being possible.  The Articia S chipset was already designed and its capabilities have not changed due to A1/OS4.  A1/OS4 would have to sell in the hundreds of thousands of units, rather than a thousand or so units, if its backers could start calling the shots with chipset development.
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Even though Motorola 'don't care' IBM is developing the PPC family to the point were it can compete with Intel and AMD on the desktop later this year.

Except of course for the small fact that OS4 isn't compatible with the new PPC CPU (the 970?) that IBM designed, and obviously won't be compatible with any of its children.  That'll require more developer time, which might, if we're lucky, come in the shape of an OS4 update, but more likely to be a new version.

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Not sure about this connection, but anyway even with Apples high prices they are selling and gaining in their targeted markets.

A drop compared to the ocean of x86 sales, which translates through to funding for development of the x86 architecture even further.

The only way I can see things getting significantly better regarding PPC development would be for the following to happen:

1> AmigaOS 4 + later releases combined with A1 hardware sell in phenominal amounts;

2> This causes Apple to change its tune and bring its prices down, which gets it more sales;

3> The combined increased popularity warrants more funds allocated to the development of the PPC architecture, CPUs as well as chipset;.

4> PPC begins to cut down the huge performance lead x86 has on it.

This might happen over a 10 year span, IMO.  By step 4 I'd guess that the fastest x86 CPUs will be at least 5 times faster than their PPC competitors.
 

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Re: The Next-Gen Amiga hardware
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2003, 03:48:34 PM »
@ Valan
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Please stick to vaguely to the topic of the post.

We're talking about potential hardware development of the Amiga platform, right?  So what's your point here?

Have you completely forgotten the content of your post on page 2:
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It is the slowdown in OS4 development that has caused a slowdown in the hardware development.

I was pointing out that your statement was flawed, then you responded with:
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Um, that's why they said it is an 'off the shelf' design.

So what the heck has PPC development got to do with OS4's delays, I ask you?  It was you who said it, not me!
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Not really realistic as Apple is competing against PC machines and they still they maintain their high price.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

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Back on topic:
I do not see the future of Amiga hardware as dependant on PPC development.

Do you find it fun to go off-topic yourself, accuse others of it, then get "back on topic"?  Pot > Kettle.  Seriously.
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AI have stated that they want a truly hardware independent machine where the same software will run without modification on all AmigaOS compatible CPUs.

That was regarding the first designs for the AmigaOne.  That requirement is out of date now.  Until AI/Hyperion say anything different, I think you'll find that since then AmigaOS development has been all in the direction of porting to PPC and continuing on that platform.