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Offline mikeymike

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Re: Amiga Platform
« on: June 09, 2003, 09:07:06 AM »
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Motorola has stoped developing the 680xx processors right? So what new processor technology is the new OS4 built on? What language is used? I've seen there are no SDKs out which is really bad. If Amiga wants to rise, they need the supporting community to start developing software for OS4. What is the point of a new OS if there are no applications available for it?


PPC.  There is an ever-so-slight problem of chicken and egg here.  Regardless of SDKs, it' s a tad difficult to develop for a currently non-existent platform.  Any current developers know how they'll need to develop stuff for OS4, but newcomers are what the platform needs.

As Hyperion/AI have said before, OS4 is just the beginning, to get something "out there" with a reasonable compliment of basic new features.  Once OS4 is released and shipping on AmigaOnes, then people outside the community will begin to see that the platform is actually running again and isn't just being powered by vapour.

After OS4 come more features to bring AmigaOS back up to scratch to be able to compare with other operating systems, and to draw in new [newbie] customers.

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The most important applications...


True.

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The OS must be cross platform compatible. It must be able to read / write files from other systems (Microsoft, Mac, Linux / Unix).


Presumably you mean it must be able to read other operating systems *filesystems*, rather than their files.  Of course it can "read" and "write" to the files, they're just files, but if you mean "can it read and properly parse a Word file", then no.  That's the job of another piece of software, as is the case on every platform.

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Open Source!!! Linux is now a serious threat to Windows - only because of open source concept. I believe that developing programs with the open source principle is a good start for the rise of Amiga.


The platform still needs an army of developers, open sourcing or not.  Personally I think it needs a 50/50 mix of the two types, commercial and opensource.  The platform has to get back into the OS race quickly in order to keep its current supporters and to attract newcomers.

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In the end; no one wants to use a system that cannot be used with other systems.


That's a very broad term.  Care to elaborate?

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Preventing users to go through a new learning curb will highly improve the attitude towards the Amiga OS (and GUI).


I disagree to a certain extent.  I agree once you get to the extreme of "horrendous amounts to be learnt otherwise you can't use anything on the platform".  However, talking about "preventing users from going through a learning curve" is tantamount to saying "it should work just like Windows".  Which we don't want.  Thinking that users shouldn't have to learn anything just helps perpetuate the same kind of user ignorance that is rife today.

I don't think users should have to learn everything there is to learn about a platform, but at the moment there is an attitude of not wanting to learn "because they shouldn't have to".  A good practical working knowledge for using a computer: installing apps, knowing where you put your files, steering clear of trojans/viruses, file management, and general day-to-day apps usage (everything they need to know to do what they need to do regarding that app).

It really gets my back up when I've told the same person for the fiftieth time how to find the Control Panel on Win9x and they still have to ask.  This is because that kind of person places no value on learning that kind of thing.  To me, that would be like a person owning a car and having to have a techie to switch on the stereo for them.

 

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Re: Amiga Platform
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 01:39:23 PM »
Re: app compatibility

That depends entirely on how badly written the app is, from a porting point of view.

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When I was mentioning the learning curve - I agree. Users are not to become gurus in the OS.


Agreed.  Basically if they how to do everything to accomplish what they need to do, that's great.

Your bit about who tells who how something should work has actually changed very little.  People who don't know how to program (myself included) don't have a clue how hard something is to implement, and whether it's even worth implementing because of what it might do to the flexibility of the platform.

Your bit about MorphOS - I tend to steer clear of all discussion regarding MorphOS, primarily because I know nothing about it, but I'd guess that MorphOS advocates would disagree with you.

AROS won't win because it's an entirely different architecture, unless something really twisted happens.  But then, AROS wasn't intended to "win".

About what you said regarding new users - I agree to a very limited extent that non-computer-literates simply aren't going to be able to grab things so well, but I still think I'm right.  Some Non-computer-literates believe they can get away with being so damn ignorant, so they will.  Hence the business of someone I know not knowing by now how to locate the Control Panel without prompting.  It's not rocket science.  He knows how to launch all the apps he needs, also located in the start menu, and it's just as many steps, and he needs to locate the control panel often enough, so he should know.

I know also from personal experience that some people simply aren't going to 'get it' with computers even if they tried for the rest of their lives, and I cut them some slack.

The same person I was talking about regarding the control panel "couldn't learn email" until it became a relatively "trendy" thing to know.  Then, miraculously, the person picked it up straight away! Funny that!  I've seen that more times than I like to remember.

 

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Re: Amiga Platform
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 02:33:00 PM »
@ falemagn

Wasn't AROS for a "just for the sake of it" project?  I might not be remembering my conversation with the main co-ordinator of the project a few years back very well, but I could have sworn it was talked along those lines.  I fully admit to the possibility that I could be wrong, and/or the goals of the project have changed since then :-)



 

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Re: Amiga Platform
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 02:38:09 PM »
@ bloodline

That was what I thought as well, that is as well as "to see if it could be done reasonably".
 

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Re: Amiga Platform
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2003, 03:55:22 PM »
So what's your plan then?  To see AROS become the primary Amiga-like platform, but on x86?

I'm not going to go any further than I have, as I'm going into my own opinion on the matter, which I'm not particularly interested in hearing :-)

 

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Re: Amiga Platform
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2003, 06:21:20 PM »
@ bloodline

There are always politics.  Opensource projects do not solve that problem, believe me.