Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[mikeymike]

Kronos, what were you expecting exactly?  Ok, so there wasn't as much information as everyone would have liked, but you're going over the top.

[mikeymike]

@ Kronos

I was expecting that after 19 months we would finally get some
real info on OS4 itself, not just the cream-dressing on top of it.

Like the featurelist, basic system requirements, and screenshots?  How much of Windows, Linux distros, the BSDs, Solaris or MacOS do you see before a new release?

[mikeymike]

@ lorddef

Thats different, all those OSes aren't hyped for 6 years.

That shows how much you know about Windows or MacOS.  I've known about the codename "Longhorn" and various (vapourware or not) bits of news related to it for quite a few years now.  I've heard much the same kind of hyping in the background with MacOS as well.

Anyway, AmigaOS4 has NOT been hyped for 6 years.  It's been 'on the horizon' and not much said about it for a long time, but I think most people (ie. 'not Amigans') will have a very different definition to 'hyping' than you do :-)

[mikeymike]

@ downix

A lot more than that. Before Windows is released, there are reviews for years ahead of time on various websites. There are streamed videos of how it works. There is a tearing apart of it's inner workings and dissection of every click and mouse movement.

Not years ahead.  And anyway, you can't have a "review" before the product is released.  You have a "preview" :-)

Longhorn is just starting to have useful information leak out about it, and it's probably going to be released next year.  But there's been vapourware information going on about it from reputable sources going on for years.

You don't get a dissection of any OS, particularly Windows way before its release, or even before its release.  A few trusted companies/websites are allowed to look but not touch it, only as long as they say nice things about it.  I keep my ear to the ground reasonably about Longhorn, and I've only seen the screenshots for it, and some dodgy videos of strangely/dodgy animating windows, and the bizarre "128MB graphics card required to run Longhorn full stop" requirement.

Ok, you find a majorly detailed pre-release of information for any OS and I'll concede on a single point.  About Linux, generally you see an errata and new features list when a new kernel is released.  Otherwise, distros get p/reviewed, in a "it was easy to install and I quite liked it" point of view.  BSDs you certainly don't, and (while I'm not sure on this next point) Solaris I've not heard of such detailed criticism or information coming out pre-release.

Yes, AmigaOS4 should have hit the shelves by now, considering the release of the AmigaOne hardware.  If that had happened as intended, then the p/reviews would have come out as they usually do, however it's not finished yet.  If you do your homework, you'll find generally that particularly with Windows, previewers are allowed a few screenshots and are allowed to say a few nice things about how great all the new features are, that's about it.

Particularly with the OS4 featurelist, I've never seen anything so detailed pre-release for any OS, and I'd like to see you produce some evidence to support your statement.

One more thing - when was the last time you saw a PUBLIC beta of Windows, MacOS or any other commercial operating system?  I think you'll find, as with most operating system releases, that only a selection of people will get betas shipped to them.  Just like with AmigaOS.  And they probably have to sign NDAs, just like OS4 testers had to.

[mikeymike]

@ FarQuad

AmigaOS for the AmigaOne is no where to be found. That is what I consider the real news.

Do you have a point to make, or do you just like trolling?

[mikeymike]

@ porneL

I did reply telling you to stop trolling or I'd start moderating, but reading what you wrote again, it could be that you were actually trying to say something, but used slightly iffy wording.

OS4 is on tour.  That means it's in a reasonable state to start showing the public, even though it's not quite ready for release yet.  I think the Hyperion team would call that quite a milestone to pass, as well as most people who aren't so blindly biased to their own points of view.  I think the Hyperion team would find your comments quite insulting.

If your comment wasn't intended to be a troll-job, please think more about the wording of your comments, as they're open to misinterpretation.

As for "real news", the public have seen OS4 in action, which is a hell of a lot more than could be previously said.  It would be nice if there were more accounts of what went on, and peoples' opinions after seeing the product in action, but that is for them to do.  I'm sure as OS4 goes further along the tour that we'll get more useful feedback.  

Personally I would prefer that OS4 had been released by now, but I guess I can't have everything :-)

[mikeymike]

@ z5

hear, hear.

[mikeymike]

@ B00tdisk

Why is that trolling?

Farquad wrote:

AmigaOS for the AmigaOne is no where to be found. That is what I consider the real news.

Yes, everyone knows OS4 isn't released yet, even then the comment was inaccurate, as OS4 has been "found" on an A4000 on the tour.  There was nothing interesting or informative in the post, and it looks like its sole intention was to annoy people who want OS4.  What was the point in saying it?  Because Farquad felt he had a unique and interesting point to make?

I'm all for discussion, and I don't mind heated discussion either, but it should not be for the sole benefit of inflating egos and point-scoring.  People can make controversial points that might get other peoples' backs up too, but do it for some other reason than just to annoy people.

Do you feel he had anything valid or interesting to say?  Regardless of the point being right, wrong, agreeing or not with my feelings on the subject, I don't think he did, he was just trying to make a bitchy remark, IMO.  And the last thing I want to see happen to amiga.org is for it to become like comp.sys.amiga.advocacy or comp.sys.amiga.misc.  If that means people have to be a little more mature and a little less impulsive, I'm all for it.

[mikeymike]

Rodney, I pretty much agree that opensource projects are the most open about PR and new stuff in operating systems, and for the reasons you said.

However, it is spelt "secrets", not 'secreats' :-)

[mikeymike]

@ DaveP

Im sure theres something about casting the first stone.

Apparently in the Amiga community that scores you ten extra points :-)

"All I said was, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"