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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« on: April 29, 2003, 02:19:04 PM »
Can I ask how many people saw the name of this thread and thought "oh no, not this old chestnut again"? :-)
 

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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2003, 03:28:34 PM »
MeOW!

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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2003, 05:10:13 PM »
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Companies other than Intel and AMd make X86 processors. I might add that you can get a 1Ghz X86 computer that runs at 10 watts


I bet they can't hold a candle to AMD/Intel chip performance though... I mean, come on, a friend of mine has a Cyrix 700MHz processor, and it can't even outrun the absolutely ancient P166MMX [o/c'd to 200MHz] based system my parents used to have at Quake 2!

 

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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2003, 08:58:10 AM »
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I hear this over and over, so can somebody tell me why Apple uses DDR? Do they really get a benefit or is it just for show? Is it needed for other things on the motherboard, or does the CPU benefit, too?


I reckon just for show, they don't want to look *that* far behind the times.  I guess that they'll fiddled things so that the actual DDR capabilities are ignored and the RAM is actually running in SDR mode, just that the technology is slightly newer and better, hence the very minimal difference in speed.

Of course DDR is going to make a significant difference (if the CPU, RAM and motherboard support it) - at the moment, you have a situation where the CPU is clocked nearly ten times over the RAM clock.  This means that every time the CPU makes a request to query values in RAM, it has to wait whatever factor of cycles the CPU is clocked over the RAM, cycles that would have been better spent doing stuff.  Every architecture, when doing 'real work' makes significant amounts of calls to system RAM, unless you're going to come up with a CPU that has something like 32MB L1 cache :-)

People, do you realise that UDMA and DDR were advancements made on the same concept?  Both advancements were made when designers found they could get away with twice the amount of signals in a cycle, on the rising and falling edge, rather than (I think, could be the other way round) just the rising edge of the signal.  Being able to send twice the amount of data than before on virtually any bus is going to have a significant benefit (except of course all you ever use your system for is Solitaire!).

 

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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2003, 11:54:50 AM »
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That is why the market is almost saturated; most computer users have as much computer as they need. For e-mail, web surfing, keeping inventory and payroll for a business, etc., yesteryear's computers are perfectly adequate. Very few applications really need all the horsepower that they can get.


And there isn't a significant percentage of business users that do "techie things" on computers... gawd.  They're who the technology market is aimed at, because they could always do with a bit more performance.  I reckon /at least/ once a week there's at least one major part of my system that I wished was faster (spec here), as the result of some practical piece of work I just used it for (large file comression, loading in a huge file - yesterday a 1GB wav file for processing for example, 3D performance, etc).  If absolutely everyone on the planet only needed a PC for office/Internet-type typical apps, then the x86 CPU market wouldn't be anywhere near the 1GHz mark yet, because who is there to sell it to?

A possible counter-argument to that is "Windows", but Microsoft also need the techie computer user market as much as the hardware market does.  Otherwise, they'd still be patching Windows 98 and NT 4.0 as the primary priority :-)


 

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Re: PPC vs x86 performance comparison
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2003, 12:03:31 PM »
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Just find any OpenSSL benchmarks; the results will show a much different picture....


Hear hear!

Or substitute the word  "OpenSSL" for "practical use" :-)