How is OS4 ?

[DAX]

@Crumb
What you did here was shameless spam. And the thread starter post that clarify he has no interest in MOS underline that even more.

What you fail to understand is that most new users coming back (like myself) do it for passion not for Price/Features/ ratios, we all have a PC or MAC and are willing to wait for advanced feature to be added to AmigaOS now that is finally free to run.

People like me (back-comers from the commodore days) think of Amiga as the one and only Official Amiga Operative System running on custom computers specifically made for it,  not as an unofficial hermit crab that fits inside dead shells, the latter might be interesting only to old timers that followed its development, to me (and other new comers) it means nothing.

I'm not the guy that goes spamming inside MOS threads, and nowadays no AmigaOS supporter does that (I repeat, nowadays) I wonder when  you (and a couple of others) are gonna return the favor...

[DAX]

@runequester

from those who use it, or have in the past, how is amiga OS4 ?

Whats cool and fun ?

Now back on topic: we have almost the same classic gear (I have and expanded A2000 and to play AGA games I got a CD32 but let me tell you after I got my SamFlex I never switched on my A2000 (upgraded to OS3.9BB2) ever again.

Last year I was pondering about getting a 060 accelerator as GVP was about to put some back in production (they got them out a couple of weeks ago though...) but then I visited PianetaAmiga2009 (an Amiga exlusive computer fair, 14th edition if I recall correctly) and saw a preview of AmigaOS4.1 Update 1 + Blender and Gnash. For the latter AFX group was present, i sat with him (very nice guy) and he showed me a ton of Flash content he had downloaded (and some streaming videos), running pretty nicely on his G4 AmigaOne, you can check some screen shots here.

Fast forward to November and instead of a 060 accelerator i bought a SamFlex system, here is how my desktop looks:

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6856/dax411.jpg

My classic graphics software such as Lightwave 5 and TV paint 3.6, all work (directly) way faster than they did on my classic machine (although I now use Blender for 3D), and thanks to a utility called "RunInUae" I get OCS integration inside Workbench.
The latter is totally seamless and you can bring all your classic content in, even WHDLoads or standard hard drive installations, you double click the icons, and they start full screen (or windowed depends on your settings), and if you follow my tips HERE you can also get native Amiga video output (just add a competition pro and you are ready to go).

The thing that excites me the most though is that this is just the beginning, Amiga is re-starting after the Ainc-Hyperion settlement, new HW, OS Updates, new software are just the norm these days, if you are anything like me (Amiga background I mean) you're gonna love your new AmigaOS system, no doubts about it.

[DAX]

@Piru
Don't get me wrong, who knows me, knows quite well I post ONLY in OS4 threads (this IS one), and I don't go "convincing" people around MOS or AROS ones (like I see happening here).
If Crumb would have avoided his biased spamming I wouldn't have ever wrote those lines and you would see only my genuine reply to the topic starter.

As for the "speak for yourself" part, try to understand that it is the impression I got from EVERY back comer I met personally or on forums(I only limit myself to those from the Commodore days and that don't know even what MOS or AROS are, like me, they weren't there when they appeared, and they mean nothing to them) and even the thread starter has no interest in MOS.

Generally they are just surprised that Amiga is still going on and want to know about OS4 and new HW.

I might be wrong, and in case you want to introduce me to recent back comers from the Commodore days that don't think of Amiga as something similar to my description, I will be glad to meet them, I just never met them that's all.

[DAX]

@Gulliver
Man you are allucinating, can't you see this guy asked about PPC OS4 (nothing else)? What does it have to do with anything you wrote? (and by the way i look at my Sam as an officially supported mobo, but I think of Amiga only as fully boxed Computers specifically tailored for the Amiga Operative System, such as the X1000).

P.S.
As for what the guy had to say it is basically an outraged brainfart.
Ips change owners, technology has evolved to GP-GPU and many Commodore engineers said AAA was pure cr*ap, too little too late, and about to be changed for off the shelf Accelerators, by the way the same suggestion was given by J.Miner himself in a famous 1992 interview.
There was a paper from commodore engineers describing a new architecture after AAA which is basically what the X1000 is.
Sour grapes that speaks because they no longer count zilch in a project development count less than zero in my book, no matter what position they occupied when the world was flat.

[DAX]

@Piru

Destroyed? It seemed like honest discussion to me. It seems to me as if  some wouldn't want that to happen, and try their best to drag the  discussion down the the gutter.

Not actually, the guy only wants to know about OS4 (and he specified that) moreover if this comparison it's so dear to you why don't you start a new thread with that topic?
That's what Fairlanefastback (Mod) suggests at AW when this happens.

[DAX]

@Tone007  


@Som99
Instead I think it's Lazy. look at my reply (the one to runequester I mean) I actually take the time to describe my OS4 experience to him, comparisons are lazy shortcuts.
Moreover to make unbiased comparisons of that kind you would need an impartial multi-platform developer (such as DiscreetFX for example) not OS4 and MOS users.
What the latter should do is give detailed descriptions with screenshots if possible in order to help the asking person without any Bias.

@Piru
Maybe he didn't like that thread and wanted to just hear about OS4, ok take out that maybe:

From runequester post:

Thanks for all the information.
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return  the conversation to OS 4 ?        

[DAX]

@som99
I also agree that comparisons "CAN" be constructive but as you probably know by now, they often and up not being so (hence the need for impartial people, but where do we find such people in Amiga land? :lol:).

[DAX]

@all

From runequester post:
I have no interest in Morph at this time though, so can we please return  the conversation to OS 4 ?                      

Varthall

It would seem it's hard to get...

Anyone interested in a "NG" option deserves to get info on all relevant  options.       

yes specially after runequester post quoted above...

[DAX]

@gazgod
Well I bought a SamFlex (1GB ram/128Mb Radeon 9250) when you wrote that piece, and comparing the experience I had of that Beta version of 4.1 and today's Update 2 it is more or less night and day.

OWB was slower, less featured and crashed a lot (3.28 is Rock Solid and faster) UAE before a serious settings analysis and before a Sam specific version (and RunInUae), seemed unusable, now I run the big majority of A500 games 1:1 (read here), DVDs play better, usability and stability, graphical appeal, all has improved a ton.

Consider also that 533 and 667Mhz are no longer available and very soon the only Sam you will be able to buy will be the 460EX with L2 cache and 1.0Ghz clockspeed (as usual A-cube will factory overclock the best samples worry not, probably to 1.2Ghz as they mentioned they had a sample with that clock in the past).

[DAX]

@Crumb @Varthal

Since you are beyond OT here (ain't there a TOS here?) and it would seem never-ending, why don't you happily continue elsewhere? PM? Dedicated thread?

[DAX]

@Piru
And maybe you forgot it

[DAX]

@Piru
I don't think that keep on doing heavy OT even after a moderator politely asked to quit it is part of the TOS

@TMHM
Don't get too exited, i hate OTs and if you check my post count (VS registration date) at AW, you might realize I don't skimp on replies

[DAX]

@Britelite
i'll have to disagree there, thanks to RunInUae a new app, we get seamless OCS/AGA integration in AOS4, this include disks, HD installations and WHDLoads.

You just double click on any content brought over from your classic and it will be running full screen in no time (check my tips HERE for natural looking video output, that has nothing to envy to a classic A500).
Add a competition pro, turn off the lights and get ready to blast off  the evil Bydo empire.

Actually I am able to run games that due to kick 3.1 and other stuff, do not run any longer on my expanded A2000, go figure...

[DAX]

@DAX

I rarely surf on any Amiga platform except for them aminet and occasional forum visits so OWB was not an issue with me. Neither was UAE, I have several real Amigas for my gaming fix.

A faster CPU with no cache just wastes more clock cycles waiting, If the other speeds are the same it still has to wait the same time.

I still have contact with my ex sam (it went to another member of my user group), And it now has all the updates on it, the most generous thing I can say about it is it slightly improved. But all the points in my post from 2009 are still valid IMHO.

Gaz

From reports everywhere Sam's 800Mhz version run faster than the 667Mhz EP even with no cache at all, but you might be happy to know that the faster CPU in the 460EX DOES have L1+L2  cache (all the better).

[DAX]

Is that included with the OS? If not, why not? Doesn't Hyperion have all the rights to do that now?

And since we agreed that comparisons are okay, yes, MorphOS does have that same functionality (obviously 3rd party product, and you need to provide the Kickstart ROM by yourself). You can easily run amiga games by just doubleclicking the adf.

I'm afraid we didn't agree on anything in particular, but alas, AmigaOS utilities do far more than doubleclicks on ADFs.
And Yes they do have rights, we'll see if they do it, it was developed recently and might as well be included in  the next major release who knows (Update 2, only updated system files  and changed stuff under the hood).