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Offline Heiroglyph

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« on: November 15, 2014, 10:37:15 PM »
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The question is not whether AmigaOS is a better OS/platform than MorphOS or vice versa. The question is whether a unified platform would be better than both.


That's still not a unified platform. 68k is left out of both even though that's the largest group of current users with the largest collection of existing software.

PPC accelerators literally or effectively don't exist for most of us and the lucky few are only somewhat supported by either of the new OSs.

Basically, the two splinter groups are pulling the core users in different directions rather than becoming part of the core platform.

We Classic users have been so distracted by the infighting that we've forgotten that those two companies should be courting us instead of fighting amongst ourselves on their behalf.

IMHO, they should work on improving the Classic 68k so that the there is less incompatibility and a smoother move between their OS and Classic.

Who wouldn't buy a MorphOS or AOS4 680x0 ROM and OS for their Classic if it was still backwards compatible with AOS3? They've both shown us they can be compatible on a foreign CPU, so they could do it on 68k.

Since OS4 is effectively made by a custom hardware company, why not make accelerator cards for Classics?

I'd wager that a lot more people still spend money on their Classics than buy into the PPC platforms combined. Why don't they even try to embrace that market?

Whoever could grab the Classic market would own the platform by default, but neither seems to be paying attention to it.
 

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2014, 12:25:28 AM »
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The problem is that the Classic would need so many upgrades to come close to the performance of even a Sam440, that there'd be no Classic left! You'd need to upgrade everything, and the actual machine would be little more than a keyboard and disk drive dongle.


From a software standpoint, there is no reason the 68k OS couldn't be at the same functional level as OS4 or MorphOS and thus almost completely source compatible and often binary compatible.

You could make some money off of Classic users while solidifying yourself as the market leader.

Having a larger percentage of the users and developers on your platform improves the community rather than working on incompatible alternatives.

If there was a unified platform, more resources could be expended on fixing either one of them.

Sure, some developers would leave if one of the two PPC OS's was gone or if they merged, but if 50% of the developers are working on something incompatible, 50% of them are only adding to the chaos.
 

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2014, 06:17:34 AM »
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A PowerPC card for the A4000 is a good idea. Expect a $1000 price tag though.


So both cheaper and faster than the current hard to find ones! Nice.

I'm being sarcastic, but the current prices for those things are just stupidly high.

I'd much rather see all resources put into FPGA, Arm or x86, but we're still battling over which PPC OS is right.
 

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2014, 08:44:56 PM »
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Really?
So 1994 HW is on par with AmigaOne x1000?


He said 10-20 years, so if anything he was being optimistic.

10 years ago Mac G5s were up to 2.5GHz, close to 1GHz faster than an x1000.

The base model in 2004 was similar to an x1000 at 1.8GHz though.

Your comment actually only made the situation seem worse.
 

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2014, 12:20:50 AM »
Can anyone give an unbiased pro/con list for current MorphOS and OS4 that doesn't involve hardware?

For example, MorphOS lacks a proper debugger and that's a show-stopper con for me.

I hear that you can use a debugger on OS4, but I can't personally attest to it.
 

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Re: One unified OS for the future?
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2014, 01:55:45 AM »
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ah, forgot the obvious link:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/68k_support
scroll down to gdb section.


Thanks.

So beyond that, how do they compare?

I was pretty impressed with Ambient, very polished. How does Workbench on OS4 compare?

Hows the stability? How seamlessly do 68k apps integrate?

What do you dislike in each?