Where to find Birdie?

[AmigaHeretic]

Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.

It is outdated.  The basic WB 3.x hasn't really been updated since it came out in 1992-ish.  There is 3.5 and 3.9 but those weren't really OS updates as mush as they were packaged "free commoditues/hacks".  

Comparing it to Mac OS 9 isn't really fair.  When 3.x came out the Amiga had only existed for 7 years.  Mac OS 9 came out nearly 8 YEARS after 3.x.  

To stop it loading a certain one you just take it out that folder.

That's exactly how AmigaOS works!  It's called the WBStartup folder (Workbench Startup)

Put stuff in there and it starts.  Take it out and it doesn't start!


Amiga ALSO gives you the power to do it through User-Startup so you can script your own things.  Maybe you want to make something that does a lot of commands.  


Sure Birdie has to be added into Startup-Sequence in a non-standard way, but that's because it a HUGE Hack & Patch to the OS.   Normally you wouldn't do it.  You just through it in WBStartup folder like most OS enhancements.

[AmigaHeretic]

You're negative points are a lot of the exact same reasons we still use Amiga and want to see a modern AmigaOS return ( on reasonable priced hardware)

Amiga == User is in control

Taking the way Amiga starts up for example.   I think it is organize very well.   You have:

2 Text files:
Startup-Sequence - which is mostly OS stuff
User-Startup - which is where more advanced users do whatever startup stuff they want
Folder:
WBStartup - which is where it's more abstracted away so it's just drag and drop


AmigaOS gives you more control MORE easily.  

I don't want a registry where there are litterally MILLIONS of entries for just my OS and the 10 programs I have installed.

MAC isn't much better with it's ".plist" instead of registry spread all over God's green earth:
HD > Library > Preferences
User > Library > Preferences
Library > Application Support
etc, etc, etc....


I want a single user OS where I control things.  I don't want user control crap, if I want to run a virus then I'll damn well run a virus.

[AmigaHeretic]

You made the Mistake of confusing Mac OS X with anything I would wish ohttp://www.amiga.org/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=53813n even my greatest enemy. A real Mac OS doesn't have ".plist" files, nor "library" folders.

Ha ha!! So you ARE saying you like OS 9!

OS 9 is great if you like RAM limits, 27dot3 filename length limit, something won't work and you get to spend all day disabling and re-enabling your extensions over and over till it magically works again,  right click anybody, making sure each program has enough memory, "out of memory!" notices and the follow-up crashes, it doesn't have a CLI thus effectively condemming it into being a "toy" OS at best, etc, etc, etc.....

You Mac lovers pretend everything is perfect but we all know the truth.   Mac-in-trash!

[AmigaHeretic]

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In 3.9 that would be 107, and typically in 102dot4 where the last 5 chars are .info - where on earth did you pick up "dot3", what do you think this is.. frigging MSDOS??? :laughing:

I was saying that Mac OS9 has 27dot3 file name limit.  ;-)

[AmigaHeretic]

How does a question about birdie end up being a flamewar?

The guy is trolling.  Read one his first posts, he starts going off how Amiga is crap and MAC OS is better because, and I quote, "Apple didn't even bother with Multitasking or even COLOUR"


Anyway, I leave him to his Mil-Spec Mac Plus.....

[AmigaHeretic]

I like how me becoming extremely annoyed at a lack of user friendlyness when attempting a basic task

Maybe you should go back and read how you posted....

User-startup shit
It's like they saw how (macos) and thought : "That's a great idea!, lets do something worse!"

How could they?  Amiga OS3.x was out 7 years after Amiga even came to market.  OS9 came out almost 15 YEARS after Amiga came out.  It's more likely Apple saw how Amiga did it, STOLE it and enhanced it over 8 more years of development cycles.  

Why the Hell should I have to...
god damned prefs file
Why is customizing AmigaOS ten times worse than doing it to the old Mac OS?
Why is it worse than doing it to LINUX?
I think commodore actually hated their customers.
they must have had to go out of their way to make it so hard
not bothered making it nice to use
Commodore had a year on them and couldn't get it right
OS 9 ten times better

Fishy_fiz gave a long post on trying to help you... Several other people also offered ideas, some also mentioned AFA_OS which really is a better way to go then the Birdie HACK..

then you go on some more...

I HAVE to assume the amiga is stupid
I want it to destroy all of my things and set fire to the carpet
Oh i'm not whinging because of a lack of knowledge. I'm whinging because a system as advanced as the amiga was definitely has some outdated ideas.


That where I posted that it does have outdated ideas i.e. it came out in 1992.  The entire Amiga line was only out for 7 years.  Mac had those years plus 8 MORE before OS 9.

People have said over and over Birdie is a HACK, what it does is not even suppose to be possible on Amiga oS3.x, so hence all the issues.  

It would be like me whining about how it's so HARD to install homebrew apps on my iPod touch.  Wah!!  I have to jailbreak and blah blah, OH It's so hard!!!   On my Android device I can just download apps and install them.


There are plenty of enhancements and commodity tools that work like one would expect.  ie.  Drag it into the Startup-Folder and it works.

So, yeah, looks like trolling to me.

[AmigaHeretic]

Why would it matter to you? your post count since you've joined should be enough to classify you as legally dead.

"Hell Labs" is just another faceless troll, getting off while hiding behind his keyboard:





Oh, YEAH, tell me how to install BIRDIE, OH YESS!!  TELL ME!!! OH THAT'S SO GOOD!





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