Why did Amiga Inc announce this?

[takemehomegrandma]

This could be a good thing, I don't know (will wait and see what happens), but is it legal?

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1079399466&category=unmoderated&number=79#comment

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Morley

This is how I understand things:

1. The Genesi vs. Amiga Inc case is closed. Genesi won.

2. After the cased closed, Genesi filed a "motion to modify order", to "refine" some of the wordings in the ruling. Note, this is NOT a new case, the case is still closed.

3. Now some Amiga Inc related people filed a lot of *responses* to that motion. This is not an appeal, the case is still closed and settled in the same way as before.

No one is "returning to court with evidence". The case is closed. Or?

[takemehomegrandma]

@ Morley

This fundamental change in structures might change things. Perhaps Garry Hare will be seeking to tear down any "Berlin Walls" and find constructive cooperations that might benefit all involved companies in the community? A guy with the signature "Garry Hare" keeps making posts on ann (they are all deleted on sight though) that says something like "Great news! After OS4 is running on the AmigaOne it will be ported to PegasosII". Probably an impersonation, but one never knows? KMOS is pretty unknown, and "Garry Hare" has probably not had the time to get a "trusted user" account yet (if that is what he wants, and if the real Garry even know that ann.lu exists). Perhpas further legal efforts from Genesi's side won't be necessary? Well, it depends on many things I guess, like Garry Hare and other KMOS peoples "business sense", BBRV's intentions with the legal actions, and such. I guess we will see ...

A lot of speculation from my side here. But this is fun IMO, I think this whole mess has been very amusing to follow! Something is happening on an otherwise slow day! :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

Morley wrote:
@TMHG

Well, development is always funny, as someone else stated on this forum, we just need a murder to make a good movie :lol:

But I just can't see why A.Inc. has refused to make OS4 run on Pegasos...more sales=more money in the real world. IMHO it's not much difference between the Pegasos and the AOne, they share the same northbridge, or? AFAIK it's just a matter of having the right firmware on the Pegasos boad. But I'm on thin ice when it comes to Pegasos specs. I thought it was build after "zico"-specifications?

A port from Teron/A1 to Pegasos1 could probably be done in a sunday afternoon. Porting it to Pegasos II would take a little longer, but it's sure won't be a big effort. IMO the real problem was more on a personal level at Amiga Inc, but now when Fleecy and McEwen is out of the picture, perhaps things can get back to "normal" (pre-Amiga Inc) and the community can once again join forces against the "outside world", and grow there, instead of the destructive domestic fighting? We'll see what happens, but one can hope at least! :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

Floid wrote:

itix wrote:
Let me ask:

Why Hyperion was spreading AmigaOS beta with false copyright information?

Under US law, at least, there's no requirement to display a copyright notice at all (work is automatically copyrighted at the moment of creation; licenses 'patch around' the default protections of copyright), and so the notice itself is nothing special, just a way to give yourself some credit and warn would-be pirates away from your work.  No idea how Germany, Benelux(?), or the EU works.

I'd say that copyright laws are pretty much similar everywhere in the world (at least in the western world). It's part of bigger global trade agreements. In practice, the contents of the copyright laws are set in the USA and then the rest of the world follows. And you are right, the copyright notice has no legal bearing, it's only a notice about who claims the right. You can release something without the copyright notice, and you will still have the copyright. It goes the other way around too, a copyright notice on something that is not covered by the copyright laws is worthless and meaningless.

[takemehomegrandma]

itix wrote:
Now shall I ask why Hyperion is not credit where credit is due?

Anyway, it doesnt matter.

It is remarkable that Hyperion and KMOS are helping Amiga Inc in their court case. Why? Because Amiga Inc and KMOS are same entity.

The court case is AFAIK closed. This is not a new case, but Genesi filed a motion to "refine" the ruling to in some way include the OS4 too. They have "joined forces" (as you put it) because they wanted to send in an answer to this motion since the case (and any modifications of the ruling) concerns things they all have interest in.

I am mostly curious about seeing Ray A Akey's name on the documents, as he would be one of the managers or "owners" involved. Is he? :-?

Well, it will be interesting to see how things will develop the coming days/weeks. Perhaps it will be possible to reach agreements without "legal force" now? Or perhaps the "battle" will continue, but in another way?

/me hopes for peace though, and fruitful cooperation between all involved. It might all be up to "KMOS" ...

[takemehomegrandma]

bloodline wrote:

also that said i never was a big fan of amiga.inc itself

That's a u-turn and a half!! :-D

LOL!  :lol:  :lol:

[takemehomegrandma]

choochy wrote:

takemehomegrandma wrote:
@ Morley

This is how I understand things:

1. The Genesi vs. Amiga Inc case is closed. Genesi won.

2. After the cased closed, Genesi filed a "motion to modify order", to "refine" some of the wordings in the ruling. Note, this is NOT a new case, the case is still closed.

3. Now some Amiga Inc related people filed a lot of *responses* to that motion. This is not an appeal, the case is still closed and settled in the same way as before.

No one is "returning to court with evidence". The case is closed. Or?

Yes the Court did make a motion, but just a motion the case wasnt closed not till the appeal date lapsed. Amiga had 30days to appeal, which they are doing now.

As you can see the court documents have been execpted by the courts!

Where do you see an appeal? I only see this:

RESPONSE filed by Defendant Amiga Inc re 49 MOTION to Modify Order Granting Specific Performance (Shukis, Diana) (Entered: 03/15/2004)

... the documents #52 and forward in the Thendic/Genesi vs. Amiga Inc case, a "Response to motion to modify order" (found in document #49), not an appeal to the final ruling (#48)?

Care to tell me what I am missing, because I only see these people filing some responses to BBRV's letter?

[takemehomegrandma]

chris wrote:

Once Genesi are out of the equation it is likely that Amiga Inc and KMOS will merge and/or the rights to AmigaOS will transfer back to Amiga Inc.

:-o  :-o  :-o

IMO, those are wild assumptions! What do you base them on?

I think it's more likely that this action has been taken to either let Amiga Inc focus on their real product (Amiga DE) or arrange a way for them to die without letting OS4 die with them (most likely IMO).

Whatever is happening here, the fact that they can afford to fight the court case shows that something good has happened, even if the sudden appearance of KMOS from out of nowhere looks a bit suspicious.

Chris

There is no case, and the only "fighting" we have seen is sending in some letters in response to another letter from Genesi. FYI, the case has been closed since almost a month now.

Although KMOS came from nowhere, it's no news that Garry Hare entered Amiga Inc a long time ago, and this might be the result of his work.