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Perhaps this has something to it:
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1077310066&category=forum&number=16#comment

Or perhaps they are aiming at the fact that assets (sources, trademarks, and other IP rights) was transferred *after* AmigaInc was "on the verge of bankruptcy", which is "blatantly illigal" according to Ben Hermans?
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1076172906&category=forum&number=39#comment

Or perhaps it's something else?

It will be interesting to follow though.
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2004, 02:49:50 PM »
This could be the best thing that has happened to this community in YEARS (provided that Hyperion and Eyetech stops burning bridges and play their cards right)!

Finally peace and unity is within reach!

:-)
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2004, 04:02:27 PM »
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IonDeluxe wrote:
LOL
Hyperion OWN OS4


Of course, and they will continue to do so! It might even be called *Amiga* OS4, who knows?

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2004, 10:48:50 AM »
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MagicSN wrote:
>Apparently something important happened. Can someone >briefly explain to me (without resorting to calling names >and trolling) what the fuss is all about?

The fuss is about Buck throwing *UD (Mud and FUD) again.
Nothing really happening. His claims are pointless.


Some people keep saying that (they said it about the "AmigaDE case" too (and this is actually the same, settled case, not a new one)) but keep being corrected time after time when the reality catches up with them.

If this comes through the way it should, it will be the most positive thing that happened to the Amiga community for many years. It looks like Hyperion might find themselves to be standing in front of a serious decision soon. Provided that Hyperion plays ball in a sensible way, everyone will win (Hyperion, Genesi, the customers, the resellers, the developers -- everyone in the community), and we will have unity again!
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His point is of course that he tries to make potential OS 4
buyers unsure.

Steffen


That's a pretty wild and groundless accusation if you ask me. Besides, no-one can buy OS4 anyway, and I am pretty sure about that ...
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2004, 11:11:08 AM »
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restore2003 wrote:
Ok, so this is totally up to Hyperion now? But im not so sure Hyperion actually wants to make negotiations with Genesi in the first place... Hyperion should find a larger company who is interested spitting money into the project, and is will do its best to promote os4, and has a name and a reputation thats heard of in the computer world.

Or am i talking nonsence?  :-)


I am only speculating of course, but the way I see things, it might very well come to that - Hyperion might have to make a choice. No-one has to love each other to be able to do business you know, but it would help if *some* efforts were put into *building* bridges instead of burning them down as soon as there is a chance ...
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2004, 11:21:50 AM »
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uncharted wrote:
@TMHG

Why is it I can't read any of your postings without the phrase "For God's sake, think for yourself" coming to mind?

Have you ever written a post which isn't regurgitated 'properganda'?


Propaganda?!! LOL! :lol:  :roflmao:

I'll tell you this, I have been thinking a lot about this (not everyone has, it seems), and my writings are the results of that. Sure, I don't know any more facts than what's publically available (but a lot of you doesn't even read *that* before commenting), and I agree that I am very much *speculating*.

I am happy to discuss my point of view however, but not with someone who writes lame insults like "think for youself" and "propaganda" instead of putting up counter-arguments for a discussion!
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2004, 11:56:42 AM »
(Off Topic, but I think it's cool when someones words are powered by "many others"? ;-))

I don't see any reasons to why MorphOS, AROS or any other OS running on Pegasos needs to "die"?! They are all being developed by different teams, they can all be used in different products. Hyperions OS would on the Pegasos be AmigaOS4, another flower in the Pegasos OS bouquette, and ready to be used in "Amigas".

And I seriously doubt that it would take a lot of "power" and "focus" for Hyperion to port their OS; isn't OS4 made with HAL and easy portability in mind (or is it tightly tied directly to certain hardware throughout the entire OS, like AmigaOS3.1)? The Pegasos1 and the Terons are quite similar (I would guess that OS4 would run on a Pegasos1 after a weekend of work, perhaps less), and MorphOS's migration to Pegasos II went fairly smooth, AFAIK.
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2004, 12:13:43 PM »
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But what do you actually want to see from this? OS4 on pegasos? OS4 integrated into MorphOS? MorphOS intergrated into OS4? Do you see them as 2 separate products? WHAT THE "#"#!"# DO YOU WANT?  :lol:


Personally, I don't really care. :-o All I want is the success and secured development of the Pegasos hardware (and any incarnations of it), and I guess that an Amiga based on Pegasos and OS4 might help(?).

Integration of OS4 into MorphOS, or vice versa, has never been the plan (or even wanted) AFAIK. Hyperion is doing OS4 and they have done it their way. Even if the end-user will hardly notice, I'd say that there are a few but fundamental differencies between OS4 and MorphOS, making it hard to just squeeze them together.  
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2004, 01:02:37 PM »
@ uncharted

My strong view is that none of the "Amiga Inc Trio" members has been very sensible during the last years. That's my view, and I am entitled to it.

If I would make a choice (which I actually have done), I'd choose the Pegasos over the Teron solution anyday. I have my own reasons that back up my choice. I make no secret of those reasons. I guess that makes me "biased" in your eyes, but I have never claimed to be some unbiased "journalist". I am a happy Pegasos/MorphOS user! :-)

Yet, I actually *try* to discuss things from lots of angles (actually quite often), and my Pegasos II review was quite balanced if you ask me. I am not stupid, I am not employed by anyone in this community -- I am a free thinking individual, just like so many others here! So your nonsense about "propaganda" and such is totally uncalled for, and seems to only reflect some views of yours that any other people that argues *against your own* point of view are nothing but blind "camp-trolls" or such.

About my avatar, OK, it is (purpously) sarcastic. Actually, it shouldn't even be here now. I only used that for a short period of time, I then replaced it with my traditional "xoops" avatar, but when the new xoops2 engine was launced it came back for some reason.

For once I was actually in a quite upset mood when I made that avatar, it was after the discussion on ANN about the (for no reason) narrow focus of the upcoming Gothenburgh show.

But since you noticed it, let me explain the avatar: The avatar is divided into two areas, one red and one blue. The reds are to the left as usual (:-P). The cross in the background symbols religion (for some strange reason :-P). It's also burning which symbols the "cultish fanatism", the "racism", and the "apartheid policy" I regularly sense from some directions, "there is only one *real* solution, the pure must be kept separated from the filthy infidels, etc" (that ANN thread was the trigger in this case). You also see another thing in the background, the cool Pegasos ice cube. The text "Fire and Ice" is contradicting, but it's "talking" and it also binds the two areas togehter, because as much as some people would like it to be different *we are bound together*. We are all Amigans. In the centre, to even more symbolize unity, there is this Jesus figure, embracing OS4 and dressed in a blue cloth "for balance".

But as I said, this shouldn't be here. I removed it before, and I will remove it again.
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2004, 01:36:29 PM »
@ IonDeluxe

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Unity? you are joking right?
BBRV is not interested in unity, never has been and never will be.


Genesi would benefit a great deal from a united community. Genesi wants as many developers as possible to the Pegasos hardware. That is why they brings so many OS's to the Pegasos, to attract as many developers as possible. That's why they want OS4 running on it too, because many developers (and early adopters) in this talanted community makes that OS their first choice. But Amiga Inc felt that this is what they had paid money for (some 3000 developers or so to go with the Brand), and they wanted to *own* them exclusively. They launched FUD campains against Genesi products, empty legal threats were made about "illigal code", etc, everything to scare people away from Genesi. This was the beginning of a split. But then Amiga Inc failed in everything they tried to do, while at the same time the competitor succeeded. Amiga Inc lost ground in the community and Genesi gained ground. If Amiga Inc couldn't have it all, they would have to divide it to save and protect what could be saved for themselves. "It's not Amiga" and other mantra's was repeated over and over again by some very well known loud Amiga Inc supporters (we all know who). When they were loosing grounds in the traditional Amiga community forums, the same people ran off to create amigaworld.net, this virtual Berlin wall, to even further separate "the pure part" of the community from the rest. This is not working for unity IMHO, this is working for the benefits of Amiga Inc.

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2004, 09:17:56 AM »
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HMetal wrote:
3. The sleeping giant is about to awake.


Which one of them, fleecy or mcbill? Wake me up in just another two weeks then ...

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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2004, 10:38:16 AM »
@ IonDeluxe

Whatever man, whatever. It doesn't matter what you (or me) say here anyway.

Whatever happens, I'll just sit back here and watch it happen now! :-)
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Re: I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2004, 11:45:17 AM »
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Rogue wrote:

Do you have an AmigaOne? No? Then how come you are forced to use a specific hardware? NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY AN AMIGAONE. It's an offer. Take it, or do not take it.


Maybe Hyperion will recieve an offer soon too? :-?
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