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OS4 enthusiasts: What's your AmiWest expectations?
« on: October 17, 2013, 11:56:29 AM »
So another year has passed and it's time for yet another edition of the AmiWest get-together for US west coast Amiga and OS4 enthusiasts. This is traditionally a time for OS4 releases, displaying beta OS4 stuff, big OS4 announcements, and promises of future OS4 developments. So it would be interesting to hear what your (OS4 enthusiasts) expectations are for the weekend! OS4.2 with SMP, >2GB RAM limit, 3D and Overlay for Radeon HD, finally seeing the net book, etc? News from Acube (what is that mysterious "File N. 3")? News about the "X2000" from Aeon, maybe see a beta board booting OS4?

So, what do you expect?

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Re: OS4 enthusiasts: What's your AmiWest expectations?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2013, 08:53:43 AM »
Quote from: vox;750320
Everything else is my expectation as it was promised. Especially OS 4.2, X1000 users have been waiting since 2010


Yes, you are hardly the only one expecting 4.2, it has been coming a long time now, longer than 2010 even.

It will be interesting to see how they did solve all the impossibles!

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Re: OS4 enthusiasts: What's your AmiWest expectations?
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2013, 10:39:01 AM »
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Amiga X2000 launch announced; this time supplied as a complete branded and marketable machine.


Who knows, if they manage to make something truly marketable, then I might buy one myself! ;)

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Hyperion announce an OS4 ARM port, A-EON announce new ARM based hardware, the whole (old and new) Amiga community rejoice and 'Amiga' has an albeit minor comeback as a popular hobbyist platform.


I'd think this is a requirement for making something "truly marketable", but I'd doubt it would happen, since the OS4 guys seem to be very rabid PPC-for-desktop believers (probably the last ones on the entire planet).

While x86 (or "x64") would be the only option if you want the sheer power that only the Core-i7 can offer today, there are certainly happening a lot of interesting things in the "ARM's race" (;)).

One argument that many people use to dismiss ARM for desktop, is the high level of integration and the fact that tablets/smart phones/smart TV's etc are the obvious target applications. However, AMD recently announced a more "traditional" ARM CPU that differs from this:

AMD Hierofalcon
- Up to eight 64-bit ARM Cortex-A57 cores
- Up to 2GHz.
- Dual 64-bit memory channels DDR3/DDR4
- 10-gigabit Ethernet
- PCI Express 3

This one doesn't have on-chip graphics, but it sure will be a power horse, and it has 3rd gen PCI-e.

Personally, I *like* the high level of integration of the more traditional ARM CPU's. IMHO this is what makes them cheap yet powerful, and indeed very interesting to people like us. Speaking of this, I have seen a rumor (supposedly from an anonymous AMD executive) saying that AMD is about to introduce at least one CPU aimed for the Android/Tablet consumer market as well, thus entering competition with companies like Samsung, Qualcomm, NVIDIA for these kinds of consumer markets. This chip will also be based on the 64-bit ARMv8 architecture, and it will feature Cortex-A53 and/or Cortext-A57 cores (they can be used in a big.LITTLE configuration) as well as integrated graphics based on their own Graphics Core Next (GCN), known from the Radeon HD 7000-series.

The ARM archtecture doesn't lack interesting offerings from numerous CPU manufacturers for HW developers, that's for sure. Heck, even the current ARM CPU families (various models based on Cortex-A15 and even Cortex-A9) outperforms anything PPC-based we use today, and it's dirt cheap, low heat, low power consumption and enables extremely small footprint devices, so...

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Re: OS4 enthusiasts: What's your AmiWest expectations?
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2013, 05:12:40 PM »
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"rewrite of the C language"? :-)


It was a comment made on this page:

"Steve has an amazing grasp of Amiga programming, so much so that he has re-written the "C" language to make it more Amiga efficient"

It has now been edited.

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Re: OS4 enthusiasts: What's your AmiWest expectations?
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2013, 05:28:20 PM »
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X86 build? I cannot believe that.


Me neither. Would be interesting to hear a bit more, and perhaps something about the source of that info?

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One of the MorphOS guys estimated it would take years to port MorphOS to X86


I think it depends on your ambitions with the port; if you can accept abandoning Amiga binary compatibility and start over with a clean slate, then a straight port could be done quite fast AFAIK. But I suppose there is little point in sacrificing that without introducing new stuff (that requires this sacrifice anyway), like 64-bit, SMP, etc. Which means new developments, which takes time.

I suppose...

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