Two New Full Systems Based on Sam440ep-Flex

[takemehomegrandma]

Germans?

That was a really long flight!  I did not know they had perfected "In Flight Refueling" back in the 1940's, or that the "Germans" had an Aircraft Carrier fleet in the Pacific.

Had the WW2 continued 1-2 years longer without Germany's industries and resources being pounded as hard as it was by "the allies" during the later stages of the war, it's quite possible that Hitler would have Atom bombed New York though. OK, not exactly "Pearl Harbor", and it would have been a one-way/suicide trip for the pilot, but still...

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@ AmigaDave

Just curious, where did you find Windows 7 Professional OEM so cheap?  Normal price through legit channels is typically $140 or so.

Windows OEM can be *very* cheap, depending on reseller. Point is OEM shouldn't really be sold separately to consumers at all but only bundled with new computers (this is the very definition of OEM), but some does this anyway. Hence there are no real trustworthy comparable list prices on this, you have to search to find the best bargain, there can be big differencies. There are however restrictions in OEM versions of windows when it comes to upgrading the computer (new motherboard/CPU etc); the OEM Windows is kind of similar to the MorphOS license in this regard, it's tied to the HW it's supposed to be bundled with. My brother built himself a new PC (put it together from selected components) and tried to install his old OEM on it, but product activation failed. But then he simply called the support by phone and said his computer had broke down and the seller had replaced some parts because of original parts no longer existed (playing ignorant), and somehow MS support opened it up so he could register/authenticate windows on his new HW!

[takemehomegrandma]

@thread

If AmigaOS 4 ... ... ... Would you call it an Amiga ?

if not, seriously what form would it take.

Seriously? Well, Hyperion and Amiga Inc ****ed up the Amiga brand way too much, way beyond all recognition. IMO, thanks to them, Amiga (TM) today stands for crap, filthy politics, dirty law suits, lies, deceit, and substandard products at grotesque overprice. Hence the Amiga brand lost its relevance and meaning to me a long time ago. In fact, I can't connect emotionally to that anymore, I don't even want to feel being associated with it in any way, it feels filthy in a way. I'm happy to use anything else that gives me my Amiga fix, regardless of the sticker on the product. My interest in Amiga was never about brand stickers on the front anyway...

But to answer your question "what would it take" - OS4 would simply have to be taken out of the equation, as simple as that. There is too much non-Amiga code and non-Amiga philosophies in there, it has too low quality, too poor features, too poor Amiga compatibility, and is hard-welded to hardware whose combination of price, performance and features would have ensured it to have never even left the drawing board/product planning stage, if a normal, healthy logic would have been applied. Had I had one, I would definitely have felt a need to hide it away from everyone I know to avoid being labeled a goofy nutcase or something in their eyes. So all that would definitely have to go...

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@phoenixkonsole

What does too poor Amiga compatibility mean? Has MorphOS a better backward compatibility?

Yes indeed it has, which a well known fact, and it comes from different focus from the very beginning. The MorphOS team always put backwards compatibility very high on the priority list, while OS4 team happily introduced things that affected compatibility in a negative way in the name of "evolution", sometimes unnecessarily so. This difference shows. Which is kind of funny, since MorphOS is also the more evolved one! :lol:

BTW.. AROS is MorphOS done right ; ) just to provocate a bit.

I get your provocation , but compared to MorphOS, what is AROS top features that you think beats it? Other than the benefits tied to x86 HW, I mean the OS itself?


@Duce

This thread fulfilled its purpose many pages ago already, and since then it branched into *numerous* discussions, which is OK and is what most discussion threads usually do when the Original Topic has been *covered in full*. I had nothing to do with that, it's a natural evolution of discussions. A question was asked what it would take to make you consider OS4 as being Amiga, and I (as others) replied. And here you are, talking about Hitler and the Holocaust of Jews!? :rolleyes:. Oh man, that was a new low level even coming from you. This is a discussion board, where you discuss things, exchange views, debate, etc. If you don't agree, then say so in the discussion, but please stop this pointless negative meta-discussion about discussions you are constantly doing all the time. Funny thing you bring up Hitler in one breath, and then you advocate a totalitarian fascist view that only unidirectional opinions should be allowed in the next breath. Was that a Freudian thing? Frankly, this seems to be all you do here these days, and frankly, indeed this behavior would perhaps indeed suit better on that other site...

:rolleyes:

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@takemehomegrandma

"the Amiga brand lost its relevance and meaning to me a long time ago. In fact, I can't connect emotionally to that anymore, I don't even want to feel being associated with it in any way, it feels filthy in a way. I'm happy to use anything else that gives me my Amiga fix."

and why do you hang around at a.org

Because to me (and many others as well, a fact that you obviously fail to grasp) "Amiga" != "Trademark and boing balls". I wonder why this is so hard to grasp for some? In fact, it's not about the name at all, the name was destroyed by Hyperion and Amiga Inc more than a decade ago. And there is nothing in the TOS of this site stipulating that everyone must either advocate OS4 and only express positive emotions or be silent as soon as OS4 is mentioned. So there is absolutely no ground for your "why are you here" reasoning based on my posts in this (or any other) thread, not in the TOS, and certainly not in the Amiga legacy. Others can have (and express) their views about OS4, and I can have (and express) mine. There are up to two handfuls of topics going on in this thread alone, OS4 is very much related to them all, and I have the same right as you or anyone else to answer the direct question that was asked about what I think about OS4, without you or anyone else coming slagging me with insinuation that I would have done something wrong (not to say "Duce's" analogies to Hitler and the Holocaust, I mean WTF?!).

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[takemehomegrandma]

If you care about having a legit license then you might be concerned.  If you only care that it activates online and passes validation checks then you might be fine.

If it installs on your HW and then activates properly on your machine online in the "Genuine Windows" test (or whatever they call it), then *it is* legit! At least according to Microsoft themselves apparently, and they are quite picky about this and they can easily kill/blacklist serials to prevent activation of foul copies. IMHO price is irrelevant to this.

[takemehomegrandma]

Microsoft has created a new license which should be around OEM costs: http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-pick/windows-8-gets-personal-use-license-for-anyone-building-their-own-pc-20120821/

That's actually quite interesting! Thanks for the head-up!

IMHO something like this needed to happen. I think MS needs to do everything they can to prevent another "Vista disaster" where most consumers and organisations simply kept on using Windows XP for a very long time instead of upgrading. Windows 7 was a very good version though, worth an upgrade (both from XP and Vista), and today I believe many (including MS themselves perhaps?) are thinking about why they should bother with Win8, especially on the desktop, especially when Win7 is actually quite good and does pretty much everything you need? And has a UI you know and understand and approve!