OS4 Firefox (Timberwolf) bounty completed!

[takemehomegrandma]

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=36052&forum=32&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#673979

With RC1 out we (the bounty team) decided that bounty requirements were met. Of course we hope that new bugs will be fixed and speed and stability improved over time but all in all the Friedens have met the requirements.

Apparently, the money was transferred yesterday and the bounty was closed at the same time.

Congratulations goes to the Friedens! Now don't spend it all on candy!

[takemehomegrandma]

Mother of god! You said something positive about the red camp! :eek:

Well, finally having (after so many years) a fully working web browser solution (the OS4 version of Odyssey (or "MUI-OWB" as they still call it erroneously, for some strange reason) isn't even close to the latest MorphOS version in fundamental areas) is certainly a milestone for OS4 worth highlighting in a thread of its own here on Amiga.org!

It must feel good for them to finally not having to resort to using two or three different browsers anymore on a single www session!

[takemehomegrandma]

I continue using IBrowse as my main WWW app.

Surely you're not serious? You can't be using the web much then... :lol:

To my understanding so does many others. (MOS and AOS4 users)

I'd be very surprised if a single MorphOS user is using Ibrowse as their main web browser, or indeed even having it installed on their computer at all.

Is there any hope for new PPC native build of IBrowse?

Odyssey certainly is like a 2012 version of Ibrowse, i.e. a true Amiga browser but in 2012 standards.

Speed matters on my 667Mhz system.

If you have to resort to using Ibrowse because of your limited CPU resources, then you clearly have a much too weak computer. Complex web pages and HD media content is everywhere now, that kind of stuff is part of the common daily routine for desktop systems today, and even my $129 Efika MX handles this just fine. There are no shortcuts, you need a certain minimum level of performance in desktop today, using ancient and obsolete applications like Ibrowse certainly isn't the answer...

[takemehomegrandma]

@number6

If someone tells you that Timberwolf will require payment in the future, they are simply BS'ing. Timberwolf will ALWAYS remain a free program, just like Firefox is a free program. Even if sale of the program would even be possible (I don't believe it is), we would never do that. Feel free to quote me on that wherever someone tell you otherwise.

Sorry, but that statement is kind of BS if they decide to tie the future final version to OS4.2 (which it looks like they'll do?), which won't be free at all. The money goes to the same pockets, only through a different route (via the other product they tie it to), and you won't be able to use Timberwolf unless you pay. Smoke and mirrors. Heh.


@Tomas

And that is exactly the problem. There is no affordable os4.x hardware that has anywhere near enough power.
I dont know how rc1 is of timberwolf, but the earlier was at least completely unusable on my sam system.

The RC2 release seems to be even less usable, judged by the comments on AmigaWorld.net? Wonder how it would feel on a 5121e based "G2" netbook with about half the performance of the highest-end Sam 440? Sure, at $300 (or whatever) it may be affordable, but if it can't be used for Internet or for viewing todays media files etc, it will be kind of useless, and then suddenly $300 will seem like a lot of money...

Obviously there is still (and will be in future as well) a tangible need for Odyssey on OS4. A much more resource efficient browser, an *Amiga* browser in its true sense (not just by "theme" (is Timberwolf even properly "themed" BTW?)), that in a NoSVG version runs pretty decent even on an Efika (only 128MB RAM and the same CPU resources as the rumored OS4 netbook). No bloat, and it's free!


@takemehomegrandma

With RC1 out we (the bounty team) decided that bounty requirements were met. Of course we hope that new bugs will be fixed and speed and stability improved over time but all in all the Friedens have met the requirements.

Well, in RC2 it seems like stability decreased (and the speed as well, at least for some users), so in hindsight I guess "the bounty team" (whoever "they" are, anybody knows?) were perhaps a bit too eager to pay out the bounty money? And I wonder why? Sure, I guess close friends scratches each others backs some times, but €7,000 of community bounty money is actually a lot of "back scratching"...

I think Itix and and cgutjahr  are raising fair points: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

I actually thought they had released a working, usable product when I wrote the initial post in this thread (the pay-out of the bounty money had me fooled I guess), which doesn't seem to be the case, and I apologize if I was part in spreading confusion/delusion about this... :rolleyes:

[takemehomegrandma]

You've always been ... are and will always be a clown to my eyes!

Although I *was* fooled by the €7,000 bounty money being paid out in full (I really thought this meant a product that was practically finished, and not a friend doing another friend a favor by giving him the €7,000 way too early in development), you are the real fool here, because only a real fool would recent to insults and character assassination instead putting in meaningful arguments to a discussion. But you haven't got any, that's obvious. Still you had to say *something*, you couldn't simply sit silent, so you called me a clown. Heh.

:lol:

TMHG >> It is good that MOS does not rely on old used HW and tha apple still produces PPC HW, right?

I don't really get your logick.

:confused:

Honestly, I really don't understand WTF you are trying to say here? Where did that come from? What does "apple still produces PPC HW" has to do with Timberwolf? And then you are talking about "logic"? Are you drunk?

[takemehomegrandma]

(A lot of pointless OT ramblings about MorphOS and its potential future migration paths deleted)

So all I am saying is, please don't b!tch about AOS4 HW being slow, it is still in production.

I hope I am making myself clear now.

I guess that asking you to actually read previous posts in the thread is too much to ask.

It was not *me* who "complained" about poor performance of OS4 HW, open your eyes! Someone else said he used IBrowse as his main(!) web browser because of speed issues, despite it being *completely obsolete* and ancient, and another said Timberwolf was "completely unusable" on his Sam system also because of poor speed because of not enough power in the HW.

And here you are babbling away about Mac HW, WTF?

Odyssey (NoSVG version) runs OK even on Efika 5K2, which is half the performance of the highest end Sam 440. Timberwolf is obviously (according to testimonies here) unusable on a system with twice that power. To me, this looks like a SW issue, an issue of *bloatware*, not about second hand PPC Mac's or whatever you try to make it about. That is completely off topic!