Weekly update about CSPPC at DCE

[takemehomegrandma]

lempkee wrote:
i wont touch any new hw they make ever..

Are DCE still producing products for the Amiga market? I thought they left some time ago, and the cyberstorms (licensed from P5) was their last products?

[takemehomegrandma]

I really don't think that Ron should bother doing anything more about
this now ...

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@ drk

That post of yours was just so full of crap so I don't know why I am
bothering to answer it. No-one has been "taken to court" (and don't be
surprised if no-one will be either), you mention BBRV and the Pegasos
just to get them mentioned in conjunction to this mess, and you try to
make it look like I would in any way look down upon the people who has
these problems. That is simply not true! Your post was inflamatory and
perhaps you and your posts might belong better on Moo-bunny among the
other trolls?

My point was that Ron has really bent over backwards to solve this
situation in a constructive and creative way, not because he had to,
but because solving issues in good spirit is always better to everyone
involved than playing hard ball. And AFAIK he was doing fine. Progress
was being made, lots of people got their boards back and as far as I
understand a solution was coming up for those who still were left. But
then some people decided that solving issues "the Ron way", in good
spirit, was no longer possible, thus considereing Ron's effort to be a
failure and not the way to go. The time, resources and energy spent to
solve this situation was probably spent only to avoid exactly what now
has happened. That effort obviously failed, and the new contact in
this case is "Manfred Vomschloss", not Ron.

Another thing, this thread (and the other) has been going on non-stop
for a year now. And it seems like it's only mostly the same 2-4 people
that posts here. Amiga.org is an amiga community portal, and I would
like to raise the question if these threads really falls within the
scope of interest to the whole general community, or if it mostly
interests the people involved (which also should be fewer now than
before, thanks to Ron's effort)? Of course I understand that
not every thread is interesting to everyone, and they shouldn't
be either. I don't mind seeing threads here that are of no
interest to me, it's not that, but this has been going on for
*so darn long now* and only a few people seems to be interested
anyway. Perhaps you who are involved in this could set up some kind of
a private mailing list or a Yahoo "action" group or something instead,
and then come back to make an announcement about how things solved in
the end when it's all finished, so we all will know how things ended?
IMHO, that would be a nice thing to do ...

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@ drk

I only read a couple of lines in your post, and it became clear that you are just a mindless troll. I rest my case there, and it was IMHO quite unnecessary of you to pollute this thread in the way you just did! :-(


@ José

Yes, OF COURSE I am interested in how this solves in the end too, that was not my point. It's that amiga.org gets flooded with IMO quite pointless comments like "No boards today", "no boards today either", "DCE really sucks today too", and so on. I don't mind this par se, but it has been going on for *so darn long* now, and all there is is void! How meaningful is that? *A YEAR* of comments, from the same people, saying the same thing! "Nope, nothing today either". Is there perhaps another (a better) way to make these kind of status updates?


@ Ryu

So, now you have some 200+ pages of notes from the whole last year(+), saying "nope, no boards today", "DCE sucks", "no boards today either", "DCE sucks today too because I didn't get my board since my last post", endless comments from the same 2-4 people? A real "community treasure", right? Look, I *am not* saying that this endless saga isn't important. If that is what you think, please read my post again. I am personally very interested to see how this mess solves in the end. I only question the way it's being done and channel for the information! BTW, Ron has IMHO done a great job in this mess, many people has a lot of reasons to be thankful about his efforts but other than that, this is *not* a "Genesi thing" ...


@ Morley

I have no problems in ignoring threads that I don't find to be interesting, I do that all the time, and so does everyone else I guess. If you read my post above you would see that my point wasn't about that. And *I DO* think that this is important. Look, one thing I am very interested in right now is how MorphOS is climbing on a daily basis among the other platforms in the RC5-72 effort. There are daily statistics about this, which I and at least a hundred(s) of other community people (and amiga.org readers) follows with great interest. How about I post, every day, a status update in this general community forum about this? Every day, every day FOR A YEAR! It would be very interesting comments, like "yesterday we crunched some 3,300 packs", and the next day "yesterday we only crunced 3,100 packs, bohoo", and the day after that "yesterday we crunched 3,500 packs, yippie!". Every day, for a year. Would that be OK, or would perhaps a dedicated webpage, a mailing list or a yahoo group or similar be better suited for such regular updates? I think so! That's my point, not that it's not important or should be taken away from the community, not at all. The ones who are really interested in every single step of the developments in this mess can find that kind of information, through a better suited channel. The rest of us would probably be more interested in some kind of a summary of it all when it's done.


@ Framiga

Ah, come on, I did not try to provoce anyone; if that would have been my intention, you would have noticed for sure! I am not trying to put neither you nor your "information" away from the community, so please relax! ;-) My point was that a page like this is far better for regular updates. Create a dedicated webpage, a "diary", a mailing list, a yahoo group or such, and invite all involved/really interested people. And then come back to the rest of the community with a summary of how things went when it's over.

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Morley wrote:
@TMHG
Okey, I see your point now, and I understand it. Only problem is nothing is happening, no boards are coming back. So the entire thread just repeats itself, sadly...

How many people are missing their boards? Are DCE sticking to the boards because the dealers involved owe them money or are they plain thieves?

AFAIK, Ron would be the most secure resource for that kind of information. Perhaps he should post some exact numbers once an for all, for the record of history if for no other reasons, since I have a feeling that the numbers of people actual helped tends to "decrease" in public discussions, and the numbers of people who are still waiting tends to "increase" in the same discussions. It's a mess for sure, and DCE has handled this in an awful way, but they might not be the only ones to blame. I recall I read before (from Ron?) that some of the (former?) amiga dealers were less honest about this too, some of them simply sold the repaired boards as new to other customers. Perhaps some users are trying to take advantage of the situation as well (fraud)? Perhaps it all will come into the light now when "Inspector Manfred" is in da house? There must be some records kept that at least partly shows the connections? But I recall that Ron said that it all was "a mess", so perhaps it won't be any easier for "Manfred" to sort things out? If things would have been really easy, then I think it would have been sorted out long time ago, because this mess can't be a lot of fun *for anyone* involved ...