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Offline takemehomegrandma

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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #14 from previous page: April 07, 2012, 09:38:41 AM »
@people who more or less deliberately misread Iggy's comment about "version numbers" :rolleyes:

In the context it was put, wasn't it kind of obvious that he was talking about level of maturity, and *not* explicitly version numbers per se? Compared to MorphOS (and OS4 for that matter), AROS as a whole *is* immature, who are you trying to fool here? There is not without reason you *won't* see this kind of warnings on MorphOS's download page:

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AROS is alpha quality software. This means that it is currently mostly fun to play with and cool to develop for. If you came here because you thought AROS was a finished, complete and fully usable operating system, you will most likely be disappointed. AROS isn't there yet, but we're slowly moving in the right direction.

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Although AROS can be installed to a hard drive, please be aware that the installer is known to contain bugs. It should not remove or wipe any partitions if not asked to do so, but this cannot be guaranteed. So please note that generally you should not install AROS on a working machine whose HD contains valuable data, as there is a real possibility of data loss. We take no responsibility for any data loss that occurs. Any bug reports on the installation process will however be appreciated.

Again, not at all kicking on AROS, not trying to belittle the efforts of its developers etc, I'm sure it's very fun for those into it, but please don't pretend it's something it clearly isnt...
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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2012, 10:15:27 AM »
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Are you really so out of touch that you don't know that by far the most popular variant of AROS is the one that runs natively, on the silicon, without any trace of Linux?


It was a reply to Digimans "When MOS is running on every Mac desktop and laptop from G3 to G5 and Intel x86 Macs let me know :roflmao:" comment, mocking MorphOS for not running on all Mac's and Laptops. Clearly AROS doesn't run natively on *all* x86 desktops and laptops either. I have hardware it won't support, for example. But hosted or in a virtual machine, yes it will, and the same could be achieved with MorphOS (actually, I think it already is/will be, purely for development purposes while developing stuff like 64-bit support, etc).

When it comes to *silicon*, I think there is much truth in Cammy's post here on amiga.org that the Aros/Platforms/x86 support page links to: "You are better off if you build a PC out of supported components to begin with rather than hoping it will work on an existing PC because it usually ends in disappointment. There are just too many different chipsets for the two or three occasional/casual Aros developers to handle. It doesn't help that the three major distributions are handled nearly entirely by a single person each, usually only with their own PC and a virtual PC setup to test it on." and this one the support page itself: "It is very hard to recommend a completely supported motherboard because as soon as newer motherboards arrive so their features change subtly, often introducing non-supported parts like ethernet and audio. It is a moving target."

Silicon needs drivers, a fact that is equally true for AROS as it is for MorphOS, so mocking MorphOS for not natively supporting *every* PPC Mac out there is kind of a moot point, don't you agree? Like throwing stones in a glass house, yes?
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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2012, 10:17:36 AM »
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when you want cooperation and that people are interested to look at your OS (and even buy it) it is not helpful to bash them (68k, Aros, AOS).


Where is the bashing?

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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2012, 11:12:36 AM »
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@takemehomegrandma
I had a feeling that the comments that sparked this thread would've been from you, but chose not to name you.

No, it didn't, don't try to make it look like I have created some Anti-AROS thread here, because that's not true!

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Sounds to me that Mazze's comments are spot on.

Mazze started this thread by asking a question, which has now been answered in many ways, by many people during this thread.

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Let me break it down even further. AmigaNG basically said 'if you're interested, here's how to get a "NG Amiga"-like experience for the cheapest price'.

Let's *not* "break it down"/re-interpret what he said, he said *exactly*: "if you really want a cheap Amiga ng type of experices then I would personally recommend getting an old pc and installing Aros on it, not a PowerMac", and nothing else!

He advised *against* getting a PowerMac, despite them costing the same as an "old PC", and he also recommended AROS as "the NG Amiga experience". All of this is *fine* of course, he is entitled to his opinion, but so am I! So I merely pointed out that the "NG experience" doesn't come from x86/PPC, but from the OS, and that AROS plays in a different league when it comes to this, no matter that it can run on x86. This is what made Mazze run off like a hurt little primadonna and start this thread asking how MorphOS is better, a lot of people answered, and now he (and OlafS3, Manu, etc) is like hurt little children, which is just hilarious. If you don't want to know, don't ask the questions!

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There is no denying that AROS is cheaper than OS4 or MorphOS

The OS in itself, yes, but not necessarily by a great deal if looking at total system cost. It's not that it's expensive to get a MorphOS system up and running.

But that's not even the point - the point is that the level of "NG Experience" doesn't come from the price either, it comes from the OS.

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so basically what you end up doing is questioning whether AROS should even be classed as a NG Amiga system.

WTF?! Absolutely *not*, what is this?! Of course it is a NG Amiga system, it was the first of its kind, and I have *never* kicked at it in any way!

But there are many differences between AROS and MorphOS, and in the end MorphOS is the one giving the better "NG Experience" (actually it offers *the best* of all three NG Options).

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What I've found following the evolution of AROS is that the complaints levelled against it have shifted as its improved. I see now that the complaint du jour is about seamless running of 68k software.

That has *always* been on the topic, it was lifted forward by Amiga NG Enthusiasts to the AROS devs more than a decade ago (search ANN.lu for example), but it was always discarded as a low/non-priority thing that no developer thought would be necessary or interested in working with.

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Whilst it's not the first time I've heard this complaint, you seem more willing to use this as the key point that separates AROS from OS4/MorphOS.

*I* seem? Ask *any* MorphOS or OS4 user used to their system how much they would like this feature to be removed? It's *not* a trivial thing!

Note that it possibly *will* be removed in "MorphOS 4" or whatever, but as a trade-off you might get x86, 64-bit, SMP, MP etc (who knows).

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So is what you're saying that once AROS has seamless 68k software usage, like say Amithlon, it can be seen as NG, but not before?

AROS can never have the same seemless 68k Amiga compatibility by using UAE, it will always be like an Amiga computer running on top of the AROS computer, although *looking* like it isn't!
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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2012, 02:18:26 PM »
@AmigaNG

There is absolutely no reason for you to apologize for anything, especially not for recommending people to get AROS. Even the thought of that is crazy, of course you have every right to do so in this free world if that is your opinion. But also I should have the rights to express my opinion that MorphOS brings a far better Amiga NG experience than AROS on an old PC (I'm actually quite convinced that *no* MorphOS user (and no OS4 user either for that matter) would accept to *completely* replace their systems with AROS, it's simply not the same thing, it plays in a different league), and that PPC Mac's aren't very expensive either (often costing between 20-200 dollars) without HenryCase insinuating that I am causing hate threads against AROS, which obviously isn't true.

This is ridiculous. What's wrong with people on amiga.org these days (and no, I am not talking about you), it seems it's getting worse by the hour... :crazy:
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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2012, 09:47:02 AM »
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Lol if we want to talk about easiest then the latest Buffalo NAS' come with DLNA servers.


Synology have had that in their DiskStations like forever (along with *tons* of other features, I can really recommend one of their DiskStation... ;))
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Re: MorphOS ahead of AROS?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 12:42:25 PM »
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I like the cloud apps.  They have a torrent client?


Yes! :)
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