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Offline takemehomegrandma

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Re: Raspberry PI
« on: March 03, 2012, 11:02:53 AM »
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Although this is more expensive by $100 or so, I don't see why it didn't sell that well to the Geeks: https://www.genesi-usa.com/store/details/11


Well, not enough memory (only 512MB).
A slow A8 processor.

What else don't you understand?


:lol:

Memory:
OK, much memory is pleasant to have, but in these applications it's a trade-off with cost, and 512MB memory is actually *enough* for most cases (often more than enough), at least I haven't run into any problems or disturbing slowdowns due to this.

And the Raspberry has *half* of this (and on "Model B" (which everyone will be buying) half of that is reserved for the GPU), so your point is rather strange...

Processor:
The Raspberry's BCM2835:
- is ARM11, in other words ARMv6, which due to its age is no longer supported by several popular versions of Linux, including Ubuntu.
- Level 2 Cache is 128 KB, used primarily by the GPU, *not* the CPU
- Doesn't have Hardware Floating Point? (Note the question mark: This is feature is optional in ARM11, and AFAICT only cores with a trailing "-S" have this feature, like "ARM1176JZF-S". The BCM2835 appears to be ARM1176JZF)
- It's only 1.25 DMIPS/MHz
- It's only clocked at 700MHz.

The "slow" (as you put it) A8/i.MX51 in the Efika MX:
- is ARMv7 (what everyone uses today, including Apple, Android and the Linux distros)
- Has 256KB L2 cache
- Has NEON SIMD (think Altivec, but not quite as powerful)
- Has Hardware Floating Point (with hardfloat support implemented in Linux through Linaro, much thanks to Genesi)
- 2.0 DMIPS/MHz
- is clocked at 800MHz.

General differencies:
The Efika MX:
- Has WiFI (and also Ethernet of course)
- Has a 8GB Internal SSD, with a pretty decent performance actually
- Audio jacks for headset (yes, including audio *IN*)
- Has a built-in speaker
- Comes built in to a real case

The Raspberry:
- Nope!

While I actually understands that a price tag at a quarter of the Efika MX would seem cool at a first glance, it's also worth noting that the Raspberry only reaches a quarter to the Efika's level of specification and functionality. In fact, I think this could be too limited to actually be useful for real. The final version of this could possibly be sold as a naked PCB at a similar price (and it would offer a lot more than the Raspberry). But the question is - Why?
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Re: Raspberry PI
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2012, 09:11:48 AM »
Quote from: Tripitaka;682711
Well, once you get hold of your Pi you may be after one of these:

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/raspberry-pi-gets-a-case-you-can-download-and-3d-print-2012035/

A nice case IMHO.

I just took a look at the Shapeways site too. Looks like a few cases are available.

http://www.shapeways.com/search?dos=1&shapewaysSearch=raspberry+pi


...and suddenly it isn't $35 anymore, and with 8GB storage, power supply and cables on top, it's crawling up in Efika MX price range (but not in performance, features and usability). Many a little makes a mickle... ;)
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Re: Raspberry PI
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2012, 09:52:11 AM »
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Is the version of Linux that is designed to run on the Raspberry Pi some special version that is extremely tiny in size and memory usage?


I guess you can customize/strip Linux to "run" it on very slimmed down environments, it's only a matter of lowering your standards according to what's realistic given the conditions. Problems *will* arise however, if you want something close to what could be called a full, usable desktop environment, there is no magic way of circumventing missing HW resources. A special, custom build will probably be required anyway, since most major desktop distros doesn't support ARMv6 anymore (according to the Raspberry PI wikipedia page).

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For comparison, my Efika 5200b came with only 128mb of motherboard RAM and has a 128mb VRAM Radeon 9250 video card and runs a very tiny and efficient MorphOS2.7, but under certain conditions can run low on RAM.  In fact many people would not buy it due to it's limited RAM capabilities.

Isn't the Raspberry Pi going to have the same kinds of problems?


Seeing that the Raspberry PI lacks real storage (no real SSD on board), I guess any memory swapping (and all other "disk" operations) will have to use a slow (in comparison) SD-card...?
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Re: Raspberry PI
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2012, 12:43:29 PM »
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Or a USB HD/SSD


Then the storage alone will probably have surpassed the entire Efika MX system in price...
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