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Offline takemehomegrandma

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Re: X1000 xmos
« on: January 26, 2012, 04:10:41 AM »
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The Minimeg uses  Field Programmable Logic Arrays to emulate The Classic Amiga chip set in hardware. One of the things that has fascinated me about the X1000 is the XMOS chip and the ability to add XMOS chips to it through the Xorro bus and the possibility to use the XMOS technology to also emulate the Custom Chip Set in hardware. This would vastly improve performance of the X1000 while running Classic Amiga Software especially some games that bang the metal.


Oh! My! God!

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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 11:01:02 AM »
Quote from: bbond007;677507
Piru

All I hear about XMOS is what it is unsuitable for...

What CAN it do?


Ask the X1000 board developers/manufacturers! Why did they put it there, what will they use it for? It must have some kind of point, there must be some kind of reason, right...?
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 11:02:47 AM »
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It can drive the ventilators of the board. Hot air powered by Amiga :roflmao:


Vapor! Brilliant! :lol:
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 01:29:07 PM »
Quote from: Tripitaka;677531
a clockport was once just a clockport, now it's a very useful expansion option.


A hack to workaround the absence of PCI. The X1000 however does have PCI...
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 01:32:22 PM »
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We simply don't know what standards will become popular over the next few years.


True, but one thing is for sure, it won't be "Xorro"... :p ;)

Quote from: Karlos;677540
I don't know, to be honest. Koaftder would be the guy to ask, he's done some work with XMOS chips I believe.

The hardware designers must have had some intended use in mind.


Are you sure about that?

To me, it looks rather like a marketing gimmick, something to artificially create an emotional connection to the Amiga. "Zorro" became "Xorro", the X1000 got "custom HW" like the Amiga. That seems to be the main point to me?

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Begin rant  :madashell:

This is funny. Just because you guys can't think of any uses for it doesn't mean it is "worthless".


Problem is that it adds complexity and cost to an already complex and über-expensive motherboard, for no obvious reason. What does this do that couldn't be done better with the PCI-express or USB2 already present?
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 04:46:59 PM »
Quote from: Tripitaka;677904
It's a fair comment that the price of XMOS is pretty irrelevant overall.


The chip itself, the sockets, support components etc may seem cheap, but when you start piling up all those "little" costs on top of each other...

But more importantly, and aside from components costs, added complexity means longer R&D and testing time (all done by an external firm on a consultant basis AFAIK, charging money for their time, unlike when, say, bPlan or Acube are doing it in-house for themselves) and potentially a more expensive PCB with more layers. This can be a major contributor to the end-user price tag, especially on extremely low volume projects, where *all* R&D and testing costs would have to be divided on just *a few hundreds* of units.

So I hope there is a plan for it, that there is an obvious point (at least obvious to *themselves*, since *nobody* outside seems to be able to come up with an idea where this makes sense), if not, then I would label it as a design flaw that played its part in putting the consumer price tag way out of reach for most potential customers...
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 07:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;677966
If I had to guess, I'd suggest that perhaps the intended purpose of the XMOS chip is to allow the signal specification for the "xorro" slot to be customised from software. A customisable geek port that you can rewire using code, maybe?


I agree.

But who will do it? I mean designing and manufacturing the custom PCB-things...? And for what purose that couldn't be done by existing USB/PCI devides?
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Re: X1000 xmos
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 07:41:22 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;677979
Maybe there are a some interested engineers at Varisys that wanted to have something fun to play with?


Yes, maybe those people was indeed the target audience...?
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