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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« on: October 29, 2010, 11:45:08 PM »
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and what about earlier versions: 1.x and 2.x ?


"Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9, and what about earlier versions: 1.x and 2.x ?"

No.

They don't.

They don't even own 4.0 or 4.1.x.

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2010, 05:48:01 PM »
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You know, it would be really nice to just clean-room reimplement the whole damn thing and sidestep this entire disgraceful corporate toddler fight. Maybe I'm just talking crazy talk, but it doesn't seem like it'd be that hard; the documentation in the ROM Kernel Reference Manual, coupled with the fact that the whole OS is based around application reuse of what other OSes would consider to be OS-internal structures and code, gives a remarkably clear window into how the system works without even needing to get into disassemblies of Kickstart binaries.

Clean-room reimplementation? Well, then MorphOS is exactly what you are asking for!

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2010, 07:07:23 AM »
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Uh, well, I was thinking more of an open-source effort so that we could get away from this stupid "who's allowed to use the software" bitchfest. Having a proprietary third-party OS (which, emulation aside, isn't even for 68k Amigas) that's a reimplementation of a proprietary first-party OS isn't a step forward so much as a step sideways.


OK, so your point was merely yet another plea for open source, your talk about "clean-room reimplementation" made me miss that...

However, MorphOS is completely free from all Amiga sources, trade marks and other IP BS, and all problems relating to that! It's a complete clean-room reimplementation of Amiga OS 3.1 (with a truckload of new features added to that) so nobody from Amiga Inc (or anyone unknown from the past suddenly appearing with a fresh law suit) can demand a handing over of the sources, a piece of the pie, or power over decision making, hence The MorphOS Team are in a much better position than Hyperion. In fact, I don't envy Hyperion at all, they are in a terrible position. But they made their own bed, and they certainly won't get any sympathies from me.

And frankly, having much better Amiga compatibility, more features, better specs, better performance, and all the big Amiga standards integrated into the OS, than both OS4 and AROS is certainly much more important to me than open sources. But I guess our priorities are different...

MorphOS might be a step sideways (big enough to step out of Amiga Inc's zone of control), but then followed by a giant leap forward!

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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2010, 07:20:32 AM »
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Yep, technically correct - but they want "open sources".


Yes I got that now! :)

But why start all over with a clean slate, making an "AROS 2", when there is already an "AROS 1" you could work with?

AROS has been here even longer than MorphOS, but look how "far" it got in comparison. I don't think open source is the answer if you want real progress in the tiny Amiga community. And whatever momentum AROS has, an "AROS 2" effort would have only a fraction of that. It wouldn't go anywhere.

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But - as far as I understood - AROS has the same approach (minus 68k compability), hasn't it?


Well, AROS is certainly a clean-room reimplementation, but AFAIK its currently not binary compatible (even if recompiled in its current state for 68k). Or am I wrong in this?
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Re: Does Hyperion own the rights to OS 3.1, 3.5, 3.9?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2010, 10:22:03 PM »
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No it isn't, it is filled with trade marks and other IP BS, and has all the problems relating to that. Who cares if it doesn't have Amiga sources in it, it' just as much our of reach as AmigaOS is, so it really doesn't make one bit of difference.

But, thanks again for living up to my expectations of you as a MorphOS zealot.


Sure, MorphOS is a proprietary OS, but there are certainly no Amiga trade marks, no Amiga sources or no other Amiga IP whatsoever involved in MorphOS.

MorphOS will be completely unaffected when Pluritas auctions off the Amiga IP.

OS4 won't be unaffected, due to the facts I mentioned earlier in this thread.

AROS will not be affected either, but it will also still not be close to be as usable as neither of the two others. MorphOS is Amiga done right! AROS may be a nice hobby for the involved developers, but from a users point of view, it's stumbling in MorphOS footsteps.

Call me "zealot" as much as you like if that makes you feel better; It won't change a thing though!
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