Given x1000 news is everywhere.....but nonchalance prevails

[takemehomegrandma]

Other then OS4, why would an Amiga person want a 1500+ GBP system when a eMac or Imica would do for a fraction of the price?  That's a massive price jump just to run OS4 and associated apps.

There is no rational reason whatsoever.

This hardware is nowhere to be seen for *at least* another half a year, question is whether it will bring anything extraordinary to the table at all, question is whether the OS will fully support its features even by then, but since it's way out of reach for 99% of the potential customers anyway, it doesn't matter. As for OS4, it is completely redundant. So no, there is no rational reason whatsoever.

[takemehomegrandma]

how can OS4 be considered redundant

If you make a straight comparison on the following key areas...

Performance
Features
Amiga compatibility
Supported HW platforms (Price, Performance, "Bang for the Buck")

...you will see what I'm talking about. The first point, "performance", was covered in great detail by obligement.free.fr some time ago. Maybe it's time we compile detailed comparison charts for the other key areas as well? Could be done quite easily, and maybe that will help people as yourself to understand its redundancy...

[takemehomegrandma]

I was there.  They didn't actually announce a price; only hinted.

I didn't have to be there to be able to hear from that youtube video:

"It's going to be north of £1500. Definitely. It can't be any cheaper."

Meaning: It *will* cost more than £1500, €1800, $2230, it *can't* cost less.

Crystal clear to me, no vague assumptions to be seen anywhere. Only question is by *how much more* than this it will cost, and whether VAT is included or *added on the top* of this?

[takemehomegrandma]

It appears that Ben Hermans is at his usual crisis management mode, claiming that the price will get reduced ("price shaving" as he put it).

Yeah, like choosing a smaller HDD and thus bringing the price down to €499...

[takemehomegrandma]

and compare (*miga OS's) to (non-*miga OS's) they all lose out in every possible regard as well.

If what you are looking for is a *miga OS, then the non-*miga OS's aren't the slightest relevant.
 

So nyeh. Who cares ? Nobody (hopefully) is kidding themselves that anything amiga is remotely relevant today. We do it because its a fun hobby to tinker with.

Hey, I'm not the one having delusion of grandeur here, so maybe you should direct that to some other guys? (A great deal can be found at the sites amigaworld.net and amigans.net)

To me, this is purely a Hobby thing. What I want is the *miga OS with the best features, best performance, best Amiga compatibility at the best priced and best bang-for-the-buck ratio hardware. I want the best thing available within the *miga boundaries. Then it's a fun hobby to tinker with.

I *don't* want *less* features, *poorer* performance, *worse* Amiga compatibility, running on some 2007 level hardware costing about €1800-€2000. That is *less fun*, at a price range *totally out of reach*.

[takemehomegrandma]

LOL, what a stupid discussion.

Indeed.

[takemehomegrandma]

I wish they'd follow Apple's example and announce hardware when it's actually ready and completed and show it running and tell us the price and have it available to order on their website the same day of the announcement.  Why is this so difficult?

Half a year ago they banged the big drum about this, releasing snippets of info during several days to create a hype, and then ... nothing! Just a big void. Then they said "summer", and now they say "christmas". Ah well, it's not like a lot of people will be able to buy this anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter...

[takemehomegrandma]

The last thing we need is ARM motherboards running OS4. Why waste time porting to trumped up controller board CPUs totally unsuitable for top-end hardware?

You mean like the Sam440/Sam460?

The ARM CPU used in the Efika MX Smartbook and the Efika MX Open Client should beat the crap out of the 440EP used in the Sam, so it has no reason to be ashamed.

Much is happening on the ARM front right now, much new stuff is coming, performance is increasing all the time, and even multi-core is being introduced.

The Efika MX CPU, the i.MX51, will soon have a big brother, the i.MX53. It's everything the i.MX51 is, but it does incorporate acceleration for 1080p instead of "only" 720p:



I surely wouldn't mind having MorphOS on this.

But I think it will go x86 instead, which I don't mind either!

[takemehomegrandma]

As I told you you should visit AW and other sites, the "vision" Amiga.org is giving you is quite distorted as far as your conception of "the rest of the community".

Amiga.org: 7,155 members.
AW.net: 4,428 members.
Amigans.net: 1205 (of which only 300 visits in a month)

Amiga.org is all about all aspects of Amiga. All true Amigans are here. This site isn't about forcing some view about "what is Amiga" onto people; people here are perfectly capable of having their own views on that. It's a true community site, not a marketing site for one particular product, and thus the most relevant site for all things Amiga.

AW.net was created with the sole purpose to suppress/censor any other views than that everyone should buy products from Eyetech and Hyperion. Deleted posts, deleted threads, deleted user accounts was the way they enforced this "truth".

When Perestroika finally made its way to AW.net, the same clowns that once were behind the "exodus" to AW.net, tried a new exodus to amigans.net, to be able to continue the same policy. And look how well that went.

So don't come here lecturing others about "distorted views on Amiga.org", you child of propaganda. Allowing a multitude of voices, views and opinions is the very *remedy* for distorted views.

[takemehomegrandma]

Amigans.net is the only Amiga board that performs continuos inactive accounts clean ups.

Oh, is that what they call it? :roll:

Ah well, I've never doubted that that place is very... ahem, "clean and tidy"...

[takemehomegrandma]

Are you saying that is happening in the here and now at AW.net?  Or does your accusation only relate to when the original AmigaOne was introduced?

Things are better on AW.net now than before, but *you do have* a site culture which prohibits the slightest insinuation/hypothesis that MorphOS or AROS could actually have *any kind* of merits, close to, equal to, or superior to OS4. Such arguments aren't met with factual counter arguments, as you would expect in a civilized discussion, but fought with the usual "Foul!", "Moderators!", "Enemy of the Amiga!", "How can this outrageous behavior be allowed?" kind of response. After much internal grief and agony, the site decided to allow discussions about these OS's, but only in a separated, "second class citizen" forum. Meaning, that for a very long time, posts in this forum was hidden away from the front page, and when it finally was suggested to change this; that MorphOS and AROS discussions *would actually be visible*, it caused the World War III at the site. Every now and then when some MorphOS or AROS news are posted there, *there will still be* meta-discussions about the fact that the news item was even posted at all (read: it shouldn't be allowed).

This is what some users in this thread obviously calls "a less distorted view". I don't agree, I call that a one-sided and homogeneous view.

Even though (as I put it earlier) Perestroika at least officially hit the site some time ago, most of the informal norms and the same culture from the past still remains. And this despite to the subtitle of the site: "Amiga Community Portal".

Amiga.org doesn't have this problem, which boils down to my point I made earlier on:

Amiga.org is the true Amiga Community Portal.

[takemehomegrandma]

@ffastback

You explain and put up examples. And in my eyes all these annoyances about "MorphOS guys posting in OS4 threads" boils down to one thing: the "you've got to keep'em separated" norm; that you have been a part of for so long now yourself, that it probably has become a norm and normal to you as well. "They shouldn't post here, in this fine thread! After all, we provided some other fine place for them to be!". Whites in the front of the bus, blacks in the back. Apartheid.

What we have seen here on Amiga.org recently, through users "DAX" et al, is some expectations that other forums (Amiga.org in particular) would function in the same way as AW.net does (culture-wise), and disappointment when it didn't. Hence "Amiga.org is giving you distorted views".

Amiga.org isn't like that. It's about *all* aspects of *everything Amiga*.

[takemehomegrandma]

And yet these people are not separated.

I've tried to make a point that this isn't achieved by AW.net moderators through some official Berlin Wall, but enforced through the unofficial culture and norms that has ruled that site since its very birth (since it was the original reason to start the site and conduct the "exodus" from Amiga.org). These norms and culture are also the reasons behind the clashes and frequent, repeated protests you have about "the new order" from various "old timers". You can't deny that these norms and culture exists.

So your tag line "Amiga Community Portal" is false, and so is DAX's claim that "the view Amiga.org is giving you is quite distorted". In fact it's the other way around. The culture at Amiga.org is pluralistic. All aspects of everything Amiga is covered. Amiga.org is the one worthy of the tag line "Amiga Community Portal".