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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« on: June 20, 2010, 10:26:44 AM »
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Pumping money? Do you have any idea how much it costs to produce such hardware on such small scale??


Not even close to this much, at least not if you calculate to sell more boards than a hundred or two.

Sure, they will need some cash to get going, but that's covered by the pre-payment scheme.


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I highly doubt there is much profits to be made here at all.


At this price level, for this kind of hardware, they are surely making a good profit per board...
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2010, 04:16:03 PM »
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@DAX

Big mistake have an alien boing ball mark there. Real Amiga keyboards had an italic "A" and/or C=. And it is not even Amiga branded but some obscure AmigaOne brand.

If they made proper Amiga keyboards I would happily by one for my Mac.


Yeah, I would be interested in a new, *proper* Amiga keyboard (USB) as well. These keyboards I already have half a dozen of.
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2010, 10:42:21 PM »
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Its not like there's NO cheaper machine possible. There's a new SAM coming out as well for more of an affordable machine, and there's the existing ones as well.


Sure, then we go from an *absolutely insane price* to "very expensive", especially considering the poor performance the Sam offers (*lousy* bang for the buck ratio).
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 08:30:30 AM »
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Unless you are Dell or another company that can churn out thousands of machines, this stuff gets pretty pricey.


IIRC the Pegasos 2 G4 was *never* as expensive as the Sam, despite being so much more powerful, not even when it first was introduced (which was when its price was the highest). Towards the end they put it on sale for $399, and even then it probably included a small profit margin, because Genesi never sold stuff at loss AFAIK.
 
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Is it overpriced even with that in mind? Possibly. I don't know enough to make that decision.


It's a "G2" board. Sure, it's more powerful and expandable than the Efika, and far from being as limited in general, but the Efika at least has the benefit of being *ultra-low-cost*.

If you for some reason have limited yourself to only consider OS4, then a Pegasos2 is a much better buy. Many of the most serious OS4 people/developers already got a Peg2, because of its acknowledged quality, price and performance.
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2010, 08:37:38 AM »
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And the comments on the keyboards, just crazy, funny how we sold out, ;).


If that is true, then it is indeed funny. It tells me a lot. Not about the keyboard though...
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2010, 08:40:06 AM »
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The AmigaOneX1000 will be a very good Amiga


How do you know that?

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but the price is going to be too high for me.


Yeah, and you're hardly alone in this conclusion...
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 08:43:48 AM »
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Heres a bang for your buck.

NexCom EBC 572 PC/104 Mobo, 5.25" Drive Bay Form Factor.
     Main Features
    * Supports Intel® Pentium® M/ Celeron® M Processor Up to 2 GHz+ with 400 MHz FSB
    * Intel® 855GME Chipset For EBC 572/572A/ EBC 572(LF), Intel® 852GM Chipset For EBC 572-C65/ EBC 572(LF)-C65
    * 2 x 184-pin DIMM, Supports DDR 200/266/333 Memory Up to 2 GB
    * 2 x Intel® 82551QM/82562 EM 10/100 LAN
    * Supports 36-bit LVDS
    * PC/104 and CompactFlash Socket

2 Quid at the car boot this morning...almost spotless,tested and working. Already spun up DSL on SSD drive on it.

* Thats VFM ;)


Cool thing!

I have always thought those 5.25" Drive Bay Form Factor designs were cool in a special way. IIRC someone made an Efika cluster in the same manner.

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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 09:38:07 AM »
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I CANNOT believe you people. WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING IT TO COST $499>?

The Pegasos2 MB was sold at that price AFAIK.

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This is a custom piece of hardware and at the moment THE best piece of kit EVER to come out bearing the Amiga name.

No, not Amiga name, AMIGAONE (running an OS not called Amiga OS, but AmigaOS4)

If trademarks is that important to you, at least try to get them right.

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And all you guys do is WINGE WINGE WINGE.
Sure not everyone can afford it. BUT its not coming from a major pc manufacturer.
There isnt half a million units rolled out, and its NOT going to come at a loss to the developer.


Please quit making excuses on other people's behalf.

When Genesi was developing the Quad Core G5 board, they shelved it at some point, because it would end up being much too expensive, not many would buy it, so there was no point. And that was a long time ago, it would still have been cheaper than the "X1000", and the "X1000" isn't exactly Quad Core G5...

Look, *I know* that no new HW can compete with cheap second hand gear that people more or less throw after you as you go by at the local flee market, but the "X1000" price is nothing short of insane. And it's a hobby after all, nothing more. What most people are interested in, is simply tinkering with the environment they like, run the apps they are fond of, etc. That's the essence, and this is the reason to why the MorphOS team has chosen to support the eMac, *it's dead cheap*, it's *perfect* for the Hobbyist wanting to try out MorphOS without investing a fortune! It's a very clever decision, nobody can argue with this. It's all about Hyperion's decision vs. the MorphOS teams' decision. Who do you think made the most clever one?

It's a hobby, and with this in mind, and provided that...

1) You want the very best available *miga OS to tinker with
2) You don't mind buying second hand gear

...this is what you can have to play with instead of taking out a second mortgage on your house to buy *one single* "X1000":



This first one is a complete MorphOS enabled system, with registered keyfile and all, this is the one you'll use. But you are anxious about "but ... but ... it doesn't come with a 2 year warranty", so you buy some spare HW and store it in your garage, just in case:



So if that first system breaks down, you can ask the MorphOS team to transfer your key file to the next in line, and then the next, etc. Please note that you are still below the price for a single "X1000".

OR, if you want as many *MorphOS registered systems* as possible, you can have this many:



Each and every one of these will be complete 1.25GHz systems (runs circles around any Sam), with fully registered MorphOS, ready to go. I've seen Internet Cafés with less machines than this.
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Re: The X1000 will be > $2,225
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 10:34:19 AM »
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The Peg2 was a decent system at a reasonable price (by amiga hardware standards).


It was. :)

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Why did they stop making it?


Because the European Union introduced the RoHS directive for environmental reasons, meaning that the board would require a major redesign, and since the board already had aged a few years, they dropped it instead.

Genesi were at the time considering various other "Desktop" options based on other CPU's, but eventually they went for the "Netbook" and "Nettop" niches. First by the PPC based designs most known as "LimePC"/"Cherrypal", but now they are wholly focused on ARM designs: the Efika MX Smartbook and the Efika MX Open Client.

Mass produced, and if everything goes as planned, it should go on sale this month AFAIK!

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