Project Timberwolf - Firefox for AmigaOS4.1

[takemehomegrandma]

for legal reasons it cannot be called Firefox

What legal reasons exactly? It's called Firefox on all the other platforms, yes? Is it because they don't want to contribute back their own complete sources to this *open source* project?

Are you kidding me? Clean code, OS3/OS4/MOS compatibility, and a split of bounty funds proportional to individuals' effort involved are "unrealistic terms"? Is it really so unreasonable to have a single bounty for Mozilla on the Amiga? Even an OS4-only version of AmiZilla is still worth ~$2500.

As a good gesture, AmiZilla should transfer $2500 to the new bounty for this browser.

Absolutely not, that would be outright criminal! The AmiZilla bounty clearly constitutes the goal of *including all Amiga flavors*, in the *true spirit* of open source. This is what people donated their money to, and to use *that* money for something else, something like "we are using these open sources developed by so many people for so many years to create something that will be *exclusive* to us, and you can't have access to it" would be fraudulent. That's not why people donated money to the AmiZilla bounty. Make it *a true* open source project instead of searching for legal loop holes, and they can have *the whole* AmiZilla bounty for all I care. That's the spirit of open source, and that's the spirit of the AmiZilla bounty. But it's exactly this they consider "unrealistic terms", this whole open source thing. I see no "good gesture" about this project at all...

With parts of the source staying closed?

Here is a wild guess: Everything needed to build the open source Firefox browser on an Amiga platform?

[takemehomegrandma]

Considering that the initial port to any Amiga compatible platform would be ~99% of the work, do you think that it's fair that the initial porters get just 25% of the bounty?

No, and that's not what "a split of bounty funds proportional to individuals' effort" means, is it?

Now a quick word about *open source*; ... ...  The MPL license clearly says ... ... yada yada ...

Nowhere did I claim that they were doing something illegal or violating any licenses.

[takemehomegrandma]

The Amizilla bounty also states that a port to only one of the target platforms will only get 25% of the bounty. If someone in the team that did this said port did 70% of the work, then they would get 70% of that 25%.

What you said suggested that you still feel that what they're doing is wrong, despite the Mozilla foundation - who wrote the original code - having given them permission (via the license).

I replied to someone suggesting that AmiZilla money, raised for porting Mozilla to the Amiga platform with an *inclusive* philosophy (*no* Amiga flavor is excluded) in *the best open source spirit* (sources are completely open, anyone can contribute, future ports, updates, and maintenance can easily and forever be done by anyone, etc, etc), to a bounty with a proclaimed *exclusive* philosophy (the entire Amiga platform *but* OS4 is excluded) in *the worst open source spirit* (carefully reading all licenses to close and lock down as much as you are possibly allowed to). The Friedens can do whatever they want, and I'm sure they have read all the licenses (I haven't, and I won't). But transferring money from AmiZilla bounty to this one would *not* be a right thing to do. The two bounties are not only incompatible, they are in fact the very opposite to each other. They could easily have qualified for 100% of the AmiZilla bounty, but they choose a different way.

[takemehomegrandma]

If it is about 99% of the work and they leave out the 1 % to provide compiles for all Amiga flavours - then I would say own mistake. Either it is 99% then thy were pretty stupid to not provide the last percent to grab the whole cake or it may well be that it isn't 99%. Your math seems kind of wrong.

That's exactly what I'm saying. And if they didn't want to touch MorphOS, AROS, or AmigaOS 3.x themselves, they could easily have handed that 1% of the work/bounty to someone else. "Team AmiZilla/Timberwolf/whaterver" - Does 100% of the work, delivering a browser to 100% of the Amiga flavors, getting 100% of the bounty money. Not doing this is not because of "unrealistic terms", but because of internal decisions. Fine, they are perfectly free to make their own decisions. But *don't* touch the AmiZilla bounty for this!

(I doubt however, that the Friedens will ever reach much further than 1% of the work anyway, but that's a different matter)

[takemehomegrandma]

@ PulsatingQuasar, ajlwalker, JJ, Argo (I feel you all directed your "quit whining" posts to me)

There is no issue. I'm not whining. I couldn't care less in what ways the Friedens and/or Hyperion try to raise their peanut money this time around, and it's not like their views on Open Source are unknown to anyone. There are no surprises here, and I don't deny them their right to do what they do.

The only thing I said was: Don't give them any *AmiZilla* money, as long as they think the AmiZilla terms and conditions are "unrealistic". It's a matter of principle - the AmiZilla donations was for the benefit of *the entire Amiga platform*, which obviously isn't within the Friedens interest (which I of course understand and respect).