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[TheBilgeRat]

Ordinary users are mouthbreating idiots.  Have you not read BOFH?
 
But seriously.  When Windows pisses me off with its own labrynthine absurdities, its DLL hells, its craptastic insistence on some specific library or .Net version, its poor 64 bit support, or its inability to get at what is wrong to fix it, I don't get pissed at all the windows people who behave like zealots and call me TDO.  Windows 7 and 8 are the VERY FIRST that have run stable for me, and by stable I mean not BSODing after any length of uptime.  XP was marginally tolerable once I spent days tweaking registry entries.  I have had to twiddle every operating system I've used in some way or another.  The difference is I recognize that all operating systems suck, its just where they suck and what bull**** you have to do to get them running right.
 
Don't even get me started on that pile of crap known as AmigaOS.

[TheBilgeRat]

For acknowledging that all systems suck, you've spent a fair bit of this sub-discussion responding to Linux critics with "you're not really having the problems that you say you're having, and furthermore you probably haven't tried enough and aren't up to date, and also everything you're saying is FUD."

That's because you aren't having any of the problems you say you are having and you haven't tried enough and you aren't up to date and you are spreading FUD.
 
Its one thing to not like Linux or windows due to some bad experience. Its another to say that Linux or windows is inherently flawed, unable to be successful because it is massively flawed, that the many groups who work on aspects of the Linux kernel based operating systems have no knowledge or clue about useable design, or many of the other completely absurd things said by several different people just because it did not work for them.  That IS fud.

[TheBilgeRat]

Where is the distinction there? Are we only supposed to harbor some kind of arbitrary, unreasoning resentment, and any complaints that address specific issues and posit root causes for them are somehow FUD? That doesn't make any sense. I wasn't saying that Linux has bad UI design because I was frustrated with the library issues and wanted to vent, I was saying it because I experienced many very specific issues with the overall UI design. Similarly, I think that the reason for its failure to make any major impact on the desktop market does stem from the fact that it isn't accessible to ordinary users and is overly complex, and nobody has made any serious efforts to address that in the twenty years it's been in development. I honestly think that, it's not something I'm just saying out of spite. It's not fear because I'm not trying to scare people away from Linux - by all means, try it yourself and see. It's not uncertainty because it is in no way vague or unclear. And I'm not seeking to sow doubt; I'm expressing my own analysis of the state of things.

Fair enough on that.  You honestly haven't been the biggest sower.  I'm too tired to sort back through this list, but my main beef started with blatantly false statements and then took off into some snark where the truth line becomes a bit more fuzzy.  I'm too tired tonight to keep responding and I have had a hand in derailing this Win8 thread (win 8 BTW just replaced my win 7 install.  Its a great Microsoft product.  It is way worth the price, especially if you are still running XP, unless you are still running XP on a P4.  Then, you should upgrade) so I think I'll sleep on it and break my thoughts on this out into a new thread.

[TheBilgeRat]

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I think that is where the really true failure of Amiga is, in it's bitter users.

Had to fix that for you :razz:

I find it quite the opposite, actually.  If this thread is any indication, the bitter ones are the ones who never got Linux to work.

You can respond, but I think later today I'll put some of my thoughts down in another thread, where it can get heated and cranky without all the people waiting to know whether they should jump to windows 8 having to read all our drivel.  Well, more of our drivel.

[TheBilgeRat]

Also, huh? AmigaDOS to me looks a lot more like MS-DOS with the design issues fixed than anything like a Unix shell...

I thought it was bloodline (or Karlos?  I forget) who had a thread here showing a lot of the unix-y goodness in the amiga shell.

Kcon and/or zshell are very unixy.

[TheBilgeRat]

So is Cygwin on windows. AmigaOS isn't very unixy.

Cygwin :furious:
 
F*** Cygwin.

[TheBilgeRat]

Does XP still get new versions or has that capped out?

I think they capped at 10.

[TheBilgeRat]

Metro is here to stay.  Is what it is.

[TheBilgeRat]

That's really great for you, but it doesn't mean a thing to those of us who have had issues with it.

Easy fellas!  We done been down this road before :lol: