News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[kolla]

It's just a sign of desperation after no-one approached them... him... about licensing the core.

[kolla]

We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060

That is not how the word "compatible" works - unless you plan to build a board with both 68080 CORE and 68040/68060. :hammer:

[kolla]

I don't get what the big hoopla about this news is, nobody will license it anyways, waaay too risky.

[kolla]

In time it would be lovely to able to replace the core on V2 cards with something more tinker friendly

[kolla]

Wrong, anyone with any knowledge would recommend a 020 or 030 card with some ram for a whdload machine...

Noted, let's remember this one

Performace wise, 080 is faster than any 060, integer AND floating point.... So obviously you are spreading misinformation here....

Not the core that is available, and we have been told over and over again that it's what's available *NOW* that matters.

Vampire has kickstarted many Amiga sw projects, not only usable on Apollo core

Such as?
(Please answer FEMU!)

Maybe you should set the example and stop. WE all got the point, you dont want a Vampire.

He has one, I have two, we are your "users who don't give a rat's ass about WHDLoad (or Quake for that matter)"

[kolla]

I guess Gunnar feels "threatened" by all the cheap, open and available lowend cards that Terrible Fire and others have been making lately, they are "stealing his market share" so to speak. So now he wants in on that too. I recall him ranting along the lines of "only idiots make 030 designs" and using less flattering words to describe these efforts and the people involved. Well, but why go through the trouble of Apollo Core with licensing and contracts and unclear customer support, for users who 99% (his numbers) of the time just want to load old games with WHDLoad?

[kolla]

So I can fit your card in a500 or a600 ? You are comparing apples and oranges.... Or you are just a bit slow ?

Lovely excuse this.

So were all the vampirized A500 and A600 systems you speak of running OS3.9 before their owners downloaded and installed ApolloOS? I suppose all A500 and A600 owners has 020/030 boards already?

[kolla]

You are doing it again. I take the freedom to correct your statement: your template does not work on your Vampire having an outdated core.

I use "gold 2.5", is that outdated too?

[kolla]

But sorry. NO  I guess the 080 will be as standard as the PPC..

some few datatypes etc.  some small programs. and MAYBE a few demos.  but that's it

Datatypes supporting AMMX should already have been here by now, one would think.

And that is the biggest problem - independent development with Apollo Core is tricky, to get any knowledge you essentially have to sign a social contract with "the team", something most developers are not keen on doing, having seen how many have tried alreadt and gotten the burn.

MorphOS to a degree suffered from the same for a period, but at least documentation, toolkits, and a vast number of *software developers* (not hardware engineers) were available.

[kolla]

Then someone lied to you or fooled you.

And that might very well have been the official wiki faq. I pointed out several times that it was incorrect, and it was changed several times too, but always leaving the impression that *some* FPU was right around the corner, even at times when Gunnar expressed on IRC that he was fed up and rather saw no FPU core on V2 at all.

[kolla]

Jari decided to do the SoftFPU, which set him apart from most of us; instead of just talking/posting on forums, he decided to DO something/code.

And alb42? Did he not code?

I don't contribute code to closed source projects in general, and certainly not to a project that has the intention of hijacking this platform hardware wise.

[kolla]

I am keeping mines thank you very much, who knows, maybe there will be alternative cores in the future, maybe even the Apollo Core "shapens up" over time. Not like I don't have loads of other cards around that I am also not selling just because.

[kolla]

As for hijacking the platform. Really?

Eh, yes, really, the goal was/is to make Apollo Core the de-facto CPU for Amiga.

Are we now hoping that NO new efforts are going to have any measure of success, so we can complain about the lack of development for decades to come...?

Nope, we are hoping for something that is more compatible (on so many levels, not just hardware and software, but also socially) and more developer friendly.

[kolla]

You are using "we" obviously if meaning I

I was responding to the patronizing "we" that Niding was using, obviously.

[kolla]

??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We#The_patronizing_.22we.22