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Offline kolla

As a result we now have updated C:Sort and C:Wait programs in the "BB3+4", plus some other neatness (trackdisk.device 40.2?) right out of the "box". Especially the Wait update was useful, one can give a file as argument, and wait will sit there till the file shows up. Great! A lot of people have had fun looking at the sources and learning about the inner workings of whatever subsystem they are interested in - I could list names here, but I prefer they rather do it themselves (some have been quite open about on the Amiga Facebook groups), a lot of code has been improved because of this knowledge.
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2017, 02:10:11 PM »
In my opinion, the cat is out of the bag - AmigaOS 3.1 is to be considered open source, whether one like it or not. The sources are out there, all you need to do is ask. It is merely the legal status that is unclear in the draconian parts of the world, the vast majority of people on this planet live in countries where the concept of "copyright" is not a reality. Why we in "the west" inflict our society with such regressive nonsense is beyond me, I suppose it is our love for bureaucracy and regulations.
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2017, 06:41:24 PM »
@eliyahu
Because lack of freedom. Because Olsen, even if wants to, cannot contribute to AROS without risking legal issues for both himself and AROS. And with the sources widely available, who knows who have looked at them or not?

Would you let me contribute to AROS?
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 06:49:43 PM »
@ThoR:
Many did their small changes and fixes, but it's easier to keep quiet about it and just pass on sources and binaries through social channels.

But anyways, where is the outrage over the content in the BB3+4 update?
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 07:55:18 PM »
It is open source the same way BSD licensed software is open source.
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2017, 08:20:51 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;818771
It's stolen closed source. That doesn't make it open.


It is easily available and will remain so, that makes it open.
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2017, 08:22:59 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;818770
Oh, really? So, why is this material not "openly shared" and put on Aminet? As for BSD software, for example?

BSD license does not require you to share whatever changes you do to the sources, that would be GPL, given that you release the binaries. And no license whatever requires you to release software you have built from whatever sources you have.
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2017, 08:30:29 PM »
ThoR: Some of the software _has_ been shared - you should for example pay attention to the BB3+4 project, AmiKit, ClassicWB etc.
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2017, 12:02:32 AM »
Quote from: Pat the Cat;818780
Disagree. Open source as a development root has a specific definition.

No, this so called "specific definition" you speak of, was piggy-backed onto what had been going on for quite a few years before when OSI was formed.

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Source for 3.1 is now a point of reference, a leaked document in the public domain. No more than that, it is too much of a jump to declare it as a true open source OS. It isn't.

So are you saying AmigaOS 3.1 sources are now public domain?

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Why? Copyright rests with the copyright holder until 70 years (probably longer) after expiration of the copyright holder.

That depends where you live. In the same way certain countries decide to ignore treaties they have signed regarding human rights violations, the Geneva convention, the treaty of Rome, the Paris Climate agreement etc, some countries also chose to ignore copyright treaties like the Berne convention. I can assure you that copyrights are ignored in most of the world.

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It becomes Open Source 70 years after CBM filed for Chapter 11.

Hardly. First of all, CBM barely had all the copyrights themselves, a lot of the components of OS3.1 was licensed in the first place, and some of if legally dubious already. It is unclear whether all the rights to those licenses were transferrable, or whether they were CBM strictly. As Thomas here can confirm, CBM themselves were not exactly saints when it came to copyrights.

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If in the meantime, it gets wholesale conversion to native HEX code, as opposed to being compiled C, then the translated version could be declared as Open source (translated works are not a technical breach of copyright, although they could be used as the basis for an IP infringement legal case - extremely unlikely). However, such a translation would have the same Amiga problem - it would require a custom ROM version for each basic Amiga type. NOT a small task.

I did not understand squat of what you tried to communicate there. You are saying that if you dump a binary as hex, you can declare that hex as "not a copy"? Then there has not been a leak of the AmigaOS 3.1 sources, as it was spread as a tar.gz file, which obviously has no similarities with the original works, but merely is a file describing how the original sources must have looked like :laughing:
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2017, 12:04:39 AM »
Quote from: gertsy;818793
Society is degrading.  Amiga source code leaked, dogs and cats living together!

That is a mighty big twinkie you have there! :roflmao:
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2017, 12:03:30 PM »
Pff... the OS was made by a bunch of hackers and is currently maintained by a bunch of hackers, such as yourself.
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2017, 02:06:45 PM »
I ask again - with binaries floating around that were built using the leaked sources - why are the legal owners not doing anything? Maybe it is because not even they care anymore.
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2017, 02:08:27 PM »
Quote from: eliyahu;818861
in fact it's still 3rd in popularity in the amiga world behind the other two closed-source options.


Based on what numbers exactly?
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Offline kolla

Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2017, 02:12:29 PM »
Quote from: Rotzloeffel;818863
LoL, you compare Cosmos as a Hacker with Thomas as a developper :roflmao:


I did not mention Cosmos. Thomas has stated many times that he thinks _all_ open source projects are done by a bunch of hackers and not developers. In his view, there is no such thing as open source developers, developers are people who are hired to do closed source projects.
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Re: Consequences of the AmigaOS 3.1 source code "leak", one year after?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2017, 02:17:52 PM »
I have visited friends and colleagues who wanted me over because of issues they had with some game on WinUAE, and it turned out were using the built in AROS kickstart, which works for quite a few games and demos, but certainly not all. Do such people count as AROS users?
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