Hyperion: "Halloween special double-treat for the Classic AmigaOS"

[kolla]

The workbench.library/icon.library combo has, in my opinion, hit the wall so hard by now that it's coming out on the other side. The way in which workbench.library and icon.library interact with directory scanning is something I hesitate to call a self-inflicted injury.

One of the many examples of something that would be better to reimplement from scratch - though that would most likely also mean incompatibility with lots of existing "bedroom" software. Likewise, con-handler vs. console.device vs. shell, would be great to have that mess cleaned up.

[kolla]

Maintainability is of no use if no one maintains it

Exactly, maintainability also means availability.

[kolla]

of course. romsplit can only disassemble the kickstart it knows. it wont disassemble just any of your custom kickstarts, even though remus can assemble such. im not aware of any other tools to do that, even though an experienced coder could probably extract the modules by hand. your alternative is to take this kickstart as is or to stick to the patched one.

Didn't the page of Hyperion have that information?

EDIT: Ah, it was here

Btw - to mentioned something I would have thought was obvious, it would be nice if Remus could also save split data for the kickstarts it builds. Also, it is worth mentioning that there is an alternative to Remus, romtool, written in python - https://github.com/cnvogelg/amitools/tree/master/amitools/rom

[kolla]

@Cosmos
Sheesh, that is so lame, stop the lunatic conspiracy nonsense. No-one outside the community cares one bit about Amiga, let alone destroying it from the inside. It is just us and there is no money in this.

[kolla]

Gulliver was talking about 68k components already existing in OS4, that one can find especially a lot of on the 4.0 for classic release.

[kolla]

then lost a lot of time testing the results because my only 68000 machine had failed.

I find this... astonishing :confused:

Between a handful of emulators, FPGA, Minimig and rather cheap systems from ebay...how hard is it to get access to a 68000 system? Don't you at least have people who can run tests for you?

[kolla]

Deactivated "FF" program in Startup-Sequence to prevent problems on 68020/030 processors

FF???

[kolla]

I cannot remember having FastFonts, only SYS:System/FixFonts, and certainly never had it in startup-sequence.

[kolla]

Oh... this is Workbench 1.3.3, my eyes must have crossed, thought it was 3.1.

[kolla]

As a side note, I always thought the naming of 3.5 and 3.9 was terrible. Leaves no scope for newer 3.x versions without resorting to increasingly confusing version numbering.

What's wrong with 3.10? And then 3.11 for Workgroups - aka built in Envoy?

[kolla]

Development of both projects stalled and was never completed in-house. Years later INet-225 and Envoy 2.0 would surface as polished commercial products.

Yes, at some point we were a bunch of students who tried to have the university sponsor us Inet-225, but it wasn't successful I did buy Envoy 3.0 eventually, which could use existing TCP-stack, but I recall a lot of hassle because of Envoy using different uid/gid scheme (with "nobody" instead of "root" being uid/gid 0? I don't recall...)

[kolla]

Considering a thread on eab about the forecasted death of Hyperion, this old … thing… seems forgotten? Was it really 3.1.4 that “triggered” Cloanto, or was it perhaps this, and 3.1.4/3.2 was merely adding to injury? In addition, Hyperion has also been distributing OS 3.1 along with OS4 (and Cloanto at one point were allowed to distribute OS 4 with AmigaForever). Where’s all this in Malko’s timeline?

When 3.1.4 was released, Hyperion first claimed full ownership, copyright Hyperion, “All rights reserved”, but then swiftly changed it to “Developed under license”. Olsen claimed it was a mishap as a result of source code repo blabla, but a “mishap” that made it unnoticed all the way to the shipped floppy/kickstart labels? I find that very doubtful. Then there was this thing in the download-archive of 3.1.4, where the kickstart images existed both as .rom and as .bin for flashing to chips. The name of the folder for the .rom files was named “emulation_or_maprom”, which then was “corrected “ to "unsplit_unswapped”. What does all this indicate? Was Hyperion provoking Cloanto on purpose?

[kolla]

@Boing-ball

Thank you for your attention to this matter, and bumping the thread

[kolla]

Yes, my thought was that it was better to revive the old thread than to make a new one with a link to the old one, since from what I can tell, people don’t bother following such links anyways.