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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #74 from previous page: July 25, 2017, 01:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;828695
That is SO cool. Legacy Amiga can now handle modern sound standards!

Which standards are those?
Or to be more specific - modern sound processing applications do mixing in 32bit or 64bit internally, and ... floating point at that.

I don't quite see what this AGA demo has to do with any of that?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2017, 08:33:29 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;828712
They CAN, but usually DON'T. In the meanwhile, 24bit vs 8 bit...

Well, they typically do, have done so for quite a while. I was just curious what audio standards you were thinking of, and how that related to a 7 year old AGA demo.

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BTW - You're a big fan of Jen's hardware, SO what kind of sound improvements do you get when you install one of Individual's accelerators?

Jen? You mean Jens? No, I am not a big fan of his accelerators, what gave you that impression? Only ACA card I have is the A1221, which I bought for hacking. I just found it ironic that after all the moaning and whining about price of iComp cards, the "team" now find themselves in the situation where their cards are just as expensive, and are likely to cost even more in the future with the V1200. It is all fair though, cost is not so much the parts as it is production.

Ah, but they offer so much more, you say, and refer to all that may or may not come in the future. Remember what Gunnar has said about that.

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Oh yeah...none.

Well, his products tend to come with "fast clock port" to which you can attach USB controller that gives you access to audio equipment, such as sound cards, hardware decoders, hardware encoders, mixers and MIDI equipment.

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That would be 1 vs 0, in favor of the Vampire! :hammer:

Depends entirely on your use case.

As I may have mentioned, the major reason for me being less than satisfied about the FPU situation is exactly audio processing. How do you deal with floating point data, like audio, when you don't have floating point unit? Rounding up, rounding down, compromise on speed and quality all the time.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2017, 08:34:40 PM »
Quote from: Iggy;828710
Hey, kolla's gonna hate, whatcha wanna do?


Hate? I have no hate in this, stop abusing that word, it has a purpose and washing it out is doing no-one any good.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2017, 12:23:20 PM »
Quote from: Nickman;832038

But now que comments about missing MMU in 1...2........


It's not missing, please pay attention.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2017, 08:21:13 AM »
Quote from: Nickman;832044
Sorry can't keep up with the trolls.


You should keep up with what the lead developer of the Apollo Core is writing and saying, it is more than a year ago he explained that the Apollo has its own MMU, and why it is what it is. And noone has any problem with that either, but there is a problem if it remains closed, which appears to be the case.

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Now it's more like.. But still no 68040 compatible mmu..... Right? Or are we past that to?


Being compatible with 68040 MMU doesn't make much sense, since noone is planning to use the Apollo Core along with a 68040. By not being compatible with existing software that uses 68k MMU, the apollo core is missing out on many opportunities, but considering what it is used for (to host Amiga OS on alien hardware), that is understandable.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2017, 08:37:40 AM »
Btw - "femu 0.11-WIP is Apollo core optimized version (includes HW 040 and 060 FPU)" - what does that mean? HW as in hardware? So, the Apollo Core for V2 now has a 040/060 level FPU (something that was cancelled earlier), and all FEMU 0.11-WIP does is trapping the remaining instructions, very much what the 68040/060 libraries do? If so, maybe it should be implemented as a 68080.library?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2017, 07:20:19 PM »
Well, that's far from smooth...
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2017, 10:12:41 PM »
Quote from: ferrellsl;834019
a stock Amiga


Always comparing with "a stock Amiga", I am sure you could aim higher :)

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so what's your point?  Was your post simply to reconfirm that you're a Vampire troll, or reconfirming that you're trolling the Vampire?


Not at all. As I have repeated for you over and over again - is it not the hardware I have issues with, not the Vampire.

My point is that it was far from smooth, and I am sure the Apollo Core will now be trimmed and the routines hand optimised to fit exactly this use case so that it will be smooth.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #82 on: December 13, 2017, 07:12:24 AM »
Quote from: ferrellsl;834066
The ASM rasterizer loop was tuned to be benefit from Super-Scalar and Fusing better, as you can see framerate is very smooth now.

See? Now it is much smoother.
And again, new instructions have apparently been implemented in AMMX, DXT1 and PIXMRG.

Of course these are not described in http://www.apollo-core.com/AMMX.doc.txt yet.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #83 on: December 19, 2017, 12:29:50 PM »
The non-endorsement of ApolloOS by the Apollo Team :)

http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=5¬e=11776&z=tLdgmc



Quotes by Gunnar von Böhn himself:
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As OS download APOLLO_OS
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But some users might only know AMIGA OS 1.2/1.3... for them having a pre-installed system is very helpful.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2018, 04:48:46 PM »
Yeah, amazing what difference having an FPU can do, huh?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2018, 12:49:54 AM »
Pretty sure I saw Metal Slug that uses FPU.

And you can quote me on not caring one bit about emulators that run so much better on other, cheaper and more available hardware.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2018, 01:47:56 PM »
Quote from: Djole;836383
Yeah Metal slug port does use FPU... the one that was never going to see day light according to you... remember ? You are too funny to be true...

Please go ahead and quote me - I was quoting Gunnar, who said it was never going to see the light of day. When I bought Vampire cards (one year ago in a few weeks), the FPU was "just around the corner", and so it looks like it still is.
And not only that, he also said no-one really needs FPU, and anyone thinking otherwise is an idiot.
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2018, 01:54:27 PM »
Quote from: TrashyMG;836388
This statement is for the current Vampire V2s out in circulation, Gold 2.7 will release will come with a full FPU solution, FEMU isn't needed. when Gold 3 is released it will have AGA and other features, so a full FPU solution can't fit at the same time, FEMU can be utilized here. Lucky it's an FPGA and you can easily switch just by reprograming it and reboot with a single mouse click in WB or Amigashell if you prefer.

Oh nice, new important information - so one will have to chose between SAGA (Gold Core 3) or FPU (Gold Core 2.7). And of course the "full FPU solution" involves trapping of 68882 FPU instructions and feeding them to a software emulator, akin to those pesky 68040/68060 libraries who were so evil a few months ago.

Or is SAGA now out, and just "ordinary AGA" is "it"?
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2018, 01:55:39 PM »
Quote from: TrashyMG;836382

I think you care otherwise you wouldn't go on offensive anytime there is a mention of things going on with the Vampire/Apollo team.


The same way I care for taking part other sorts of entertainment :)
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Offline kolla

Re: [UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2018, 01:59:42 PM »
Quote from: TrashyMG;836391
Gunnar is also really sarcastic at times, especially on IRC.


It was not sarcasm. It was frustration over the quality of work of those who had the task of implementing the FPU, as he realised he would have to to it himself, something he had no interest in. He would much rather work on the shiny new FPU on the V4. There was quite a raging discussion about this within the team at the time, though they now pretend it never happened.
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