ADOOM on A600 running 22-35 FPS

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Is an A500 with a 68010 no longer an A500?

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Niding said "I think the majority of the posters here would be more than happy to have their A1200 upgraded to 060 and 64 megs." which may very well be true, but I'm not one of them. 128MB would also be a downgrade, so what is the plan for Vampire1200?

As for 64bit addressing m68k and hacking AROS to support it - what ever for?! m68k supported adressing 2GB of RAM way back in early 90ies, if not before, and yet we are not even able to make use of _that_ today.

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Then CD32 is also not a 32bit console, and no m68k Amiga ever, for that matter.

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Where is Thor's post? And I'm sorry for being straight forward instead of doing passive-aggressive sarcastic replies like certain others here. If soneone posts dumb erronous stuff over and over, it should be perfectly fine to point it out. Oldsmobile does not even _try_ to see what TCL was stating, he and others went straight to ridicule and patrionizing. Why should we be ok with that?

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Ok, I drink the cool aid and accept that all 68000 systems are 16/32bit and also jump around happily that someone is working hard to give us 64bit execution capable m68k!! Seriously, this announcement is HUGE, it should have its own story!! :banana: :banana:

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CD32 is even more compact and features a real connector

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Biggun: so how about that "64bit execution" thing? Or as I understand it, 64bit address space to break the 32bit memory barrier of AmigaOS. It sounds cool, but only usable for emulators so far, no m68k hardware is even close to reach that limit.

Personally I would say the way forward is to get rid of legacy hardware alltogether, and design new FPGA based motherboards like FPGA Arcade Replay and MiST, and why not with connectors for real Amiga keyboards so people can build them into A500, A600 and A1200 cases.

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But then it would no longer be m68k, would it?

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it has no built in keyboard!

But it has keyboard connector on the side.

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Hattig's respons was perfectly fine, he confirmed that A600 is a 32bit computer, and that if you let "default CPU" dictate, then neither CD32 nor A1200 are fully 32bit either. Which was exactly the point. As long as you work with CBM Amiga computers and AmigaOS as we know it, then 32bit is your limiting factor for memory addressing.

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I agree, FPGA is cheap enough and fast enough for m68k AmigaOS. Matthey, I understand your concerns, and I'm sure your points will materialize themselves when/if no compilers supports the changes/improvements that Gunnar has done. In the meantime, I dont think anyone/anything prevents someone else, for example you, from doing a more "conservative" m68k core for the Vampire boards.

But yeah, a m68k cherry pi would be awesome, I would guaranteed buy a few, especially if the m68k has MMU and can run Linux, I want real hardware for my Linux/m68k again

My suggestion is to ignore what Gunnar is doing and join forces with other more likeminded people and "do it right", the best solution will win, right?

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I take it for granted that people here are aware of FPGA Arcade and MiST? There seem to be many m68k softcores around, I suspect they are based on TG68.

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Matthey, you are essencially saying that the future of for a 68k FPGA core relies on Gunnar, I would say that this is to give him _way_ too much credit. I say this again - ignore Gunnar. You have repeatedly said the Apollo/Phoenix is his hobby project, so take your ideas to people who do give a damn, be it atari folks, minimig developers, UAE developers, whoever. Nobody wants a platform that relies on _one_ person.

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Where is your FPGA Amiga?

Stored in a container back home while I'm backpacking central and south America. I expect to have a couple more of them when I get back home.

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I bet at least 10% of Pi sales have gone to people that would prefer to have an Amiga computer or 68k CPU but only Raspberry Pi was offered instead of Cherry Pi. Let's say only 3% would have payed up for the Amiga or 68k which would be 150,000 potential Amiga users.

I would say this is a huge over estimate, huge huge HUGE over estimate!!!

It would surprise me a lot if a 68k Cherry pi would sell much at all, probably less than 5000. At least without a full fledge capable CPU with MMU, so that it easily can boot a relevant operating system.

I think you have misunderstood why people buy the raspberry pi, it's not just because it is cheap, it is because it is cheap and fully supported bu Linux. Extremely few are interested in a lamed down EC 68k that only can run AmigaOS and maybe uCLinux if you are lucky.

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What I'm guessing is that at least 10% of Raspberry Pi purchasers know and have a favorable opinion of either the Amiga or 68k (the 68k may be more popular than the Amiga).

Who are these 10%? You are pulling numbers out of nowhere. Again, people buy R-pi because it has HDMI, is cheap, and runs Linux, fully supported. The company I work for bought a whole bunch of r-pi to plug into big monitors that we use as info displays, the R-pi is perfect as it is tiny, powered by the TV and has HDMI, and because it runs full fledge Linux.