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Offline kolla

Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« on: January 12, 2010, 09:07:50 PM »
Quote from: Flashlab;537904
The weirdest thing about these kind a "visionary" requests is that an open source Amiga already exists; AROS. But that is not officially branded "Amiga" and therefore doesn't count?


No, that is not the weirdest thing. The weirdest thing is all those devs that still waste time on OS4 and MorphOS instead of AROS. :)
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Offline kolla

Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 09:17:09 PM »
Quote from: A1260;537922
@msuguy71

are you on drugs?

I'm quite confident you are :)

Yes, OS3.x these days would be better off put in public domain, sources and all. It would be a benefit for everyone in all parts of the community, even Cloanto. I doubt there's any point in putting an opensource license on it, as there's noone around who would bother to comply or enforce it anyways. Commercially it is totally irrelevant, but for hackers of old m68k systems and for educational purposes within the community it can have interest. Stocked away with its current dubious legal state it serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.
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Offline kolla

Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 09:37:35 PM »
Quote from: PulsatingQuasar;537928
Even if you would combine all programmers on the three platforms you would seriously lack a lot of development time to play catch up with Windows or Linux.


That's a lost game anyways, the basic features are hopelessly outdated and not suitable for the modern world. The only option is to create new OS inspired by "the amiga experience" and throwing all compatibility over board. It was something like this many of us wished for back when Gateway and Collas was running the show. Or wished MorphOS would do.

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So, it's anyones choice on what system he or she wants to spend time.


Ofcourse. :)
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Offline kolla

Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 10:50:37 PM »
Quote from: PulsatingQuasar;538059
That's not going to work as an opensource project. That is going to take way too much time for which you won't find enough spare time programmers.

Linux got only this far because it is sponsored on a yearly basis by millions of Dollars. Either because people are employed at companies to work on Linux related stuff or via other constructions.

Complete operating systems and programs running on it can not be created by merely open sourcing it. You still need a shit load of cash to have full time programmers working on it. That only works for Linux and nothing else.

First of all, I didnt say anything about Open Source in regards to what Collas and Gateway were doing back in the days, and MorphOS is also not Open Source. I was just saying that IT'S TOO LATE for AmigaOS type OSes, closed source or open source is irrelevant.

Secondly, you're wrong that creating new OS is so unthinkable that only Linux manages. There are lots and lots of opensource OSes around, many of them (most) far more complete and capable than AROS, and an OS being open source does not exclude commercial participation, like how you said for Linux. And Linux is _not_ the only OS around that benefits from both commercial and volunteering developers, the same can be said for the BSDs and Solaris, and even opensource elements in OSX and Windows.

Thirdly, the only thing I care about making opensource - or rather, to be put in public domain with sources and all for anyone to hack - is classic m68k AmigaOS, not because I expect lots of developers to jump on it, but because of personal interest, being able to make small improvements without having to disassemble and guestimate what's going on, and because we could finally get rid of all the hypocrisy and fuzz regarding "piracy" of kickstarts and old OS disks.
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Offline kolla

Re: We NEED AmigaOS to go open source
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2010, 09:28:10 AM »
Quote from: NovaCoder;538186
Actually I think it might happen one day, but only > OS 3.1.


OS 3.5 and 3.9 are mostly "addons" to 3.1 anyways, alot of the binaries in 3.9 are identical to those in 3.1. OS3.5 CD came with OS3.1 on it, and 3.9 CD has both 3.5 and 3.9 on it. And the 3.1 kickstart doesnt contain much magic either.
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