CGX 4 and P96 SDK

[kolla]

This just shows, again, the obvious. Old amiga devs these days, are mostly a bunch of arses. All the more reasons not to support neither MorphOS nor OS4, since they will just follow this good old tradition

[kolla]

@Piru
Thank you for trying!

@All
I believe that Karlos has hit the nail. We need a new freely available open source rtg system, preferably one that can support both P96 and CGX functionality. The CGX layer AROS has can perhaps be a starting point.

Why bother? It's better to get AROS in better shape than to waste time "backporting" AROS' RTG to 68k. RTG on 68k is at a dead end.

[kolla]

I wouldn't say that. Adding an RTG card to my A1200 was one of the single most significant upgrades I ever made. It made a very big difference to my everyday use and prolonged the life of my A1200 as my "primary machine" by several years.

Sure, but that is not relevant at this point. The developers of the software in question are not interested in anyone continuing to use it, on the contrary, they rather see that noone use their software at all anymore. That's the only conclusion one can draw from this, as I see it.

[kolla]

neither you will convince me on this nor i will try to prove the contrary. improving 68k may be a objectively a waste of time yet some are interested in this. you will have to live with it.

Sure, everyone is free to waste ones time on whatever one likes.

and i do not believe the former amiga devs are ars*s jusst because theý refuse to release something for free. it is their good right to do so. even now there might be interested parties who would like to license from them for money although not very likely so why are they not allowed to stick to their ip?

Ofcourse they are allowed to do so, I dont suggest that they arent allowed to do it, but it does render them a bunch of arses in my view.

anyway cooperation between aros and 68k might be fruitful for both, not to mention other branches.

Ofcourse, please go ahead.

[kolla]

Why is everything so closed ?

Most stuff haven't been used for 10 years, isn't used anymore... but still, it must be kept secret

I guess I'll never understand... I know it's their IP and they can do whatever they want. But since it could help and interest people I don't get why it's not released for free... They'd have nothing to lose by doing so.

It's because they are arses, that's what I'm saying :laughing:

[kolla]

@kolla

I think it's more "political" than that. CGX and P96 have become the respective RTG standards for MOS and OS4, thus all development of each API has become tied to each platform.

Exactly, this is also why I suggest not supporting any of them.

Nobody ever installed RTG software for it's own sake, rather they installed it to allow them to run all their existing software in higher resolutions and/or greater colour depths.

Not quite correct. There's a trade-off since lots of software doesn't work on RTG, and also because many got graphics card in order to run certain software.

Just because the developers of the existing standards aren't interested/able to continue support doesn't mean the original motivation behind RTG has gone away. People still want to be able to use higher resolution screen modes with faster refresh rates etc.

Yes, so someone has to reinvent the wheel yet again, since the two previous wheel inventors are such arses :laughing:

[kolla]

Yes, giving away the P96 SDK would suddenly make all Elbox products work. It took them more than two years to get a working driver for my Voodoo5 card, even with a pirated SDK - how could releasing the SDK help them?

And yes, Elbox are huge arses :laughing:

[kolla]

I doubt Elbox sell anything these days.

[kolla]

It´s a bit poor that the IP holders doesn´t provide any reasons. Not that they have to, but some reasons are more understandable than others, say if for instance envoy contains lisenced code that he cannot give away.

It might be that it legally still is IAM that hold rights.

Perhaps we should just all pay Karlos and Cosmos a bundle of cash to make a new RTG system ;-) And Piru and Plato42 one to backport ArosTCP with a GUI :-D

I would rather see a new TCP stack for amiga systems written from scratch, instead of messing around with this 20 year old ancient stuff. Miami was such a rewrite.

The developer who reverse engineered the P96 system to develop a gfx card driver could have peaked at the WinUAE/UAE code I guess (perhaps that´s what he did). But it´s not the way it should be.

In amiga land, very little is as it should be.

Also, it would be far better if CGX4 and P96 could be unified. Since P96 is exclusive on some hardware(Mediator/UAE) and CGX4 on other(CVPPC and GRex).

Ofcourse, but remember what the prime objectives for those projects were - both started as driver systems for dedicated hardware that were in direct competition with one another, and then expanded into being competing standards for "all amiga graphics cards". A bunch of egotripping jackasses, the lot of them, could ofcourse not agree on anything, and when P96 was chosen for OS3.5+ it was ofcourse ridiculed by the "blue" side (like anything beyond OS 3.1). How P96 SDK could continue to be closed even after being pulled into OS3.5+ is beyond what I can grasp, but in amiga land, anything silly is possible, and even very likely.

A merge of south and north Korea is probably more likely than any merge of CGfx and P96 (aka MorphOS and AmigaOS)