AmigaOS 3.9 Boing Bag #3

[kolla]

Why can't the files also be hosted on lilliput.host-cafe.com?

[kolla]

With the entire legal status of OS 3.9 up in the blue, releasing this BoingBag 3 with full binaries and all is a nice experiment. Who, if any, will have legal grounds to complain? :-)

[kolla]

Don't waste your time contacting AInc or Haage.. I know what I am talking about. Anyway, if .pch solution is used, contacting them is not necessary at all.

I think that is *exactly* why one should do it the "illegal" way, in an attempt to provoke a reaction. And if there is no reaction, that's good too

If the copyright holders dont care, there's really no reason others must care either.

[kolla]

After installation there should be a requester telling user to do a power off to get rid off old loaded modules, that would avoid many scsi.device problems and whatnot.

Btw. there's a KingCon 1.8 on AmiKit, among various fixes it also allows KingCon to be loaded as a kickstart module so CON: is replaced with kingcon even when booting without startup-sequence. I really wish we had the sources for it, I'd love to see 1.8 for 68000 as well, and not just 020+ (that goes for alot of stuff btw).

[kolla]

And I mailed Jesus and he said it was all right.

Really - if they have complaints, then they should speak up loud and clear and state the legal status of the code in question - right now, anything that is copyrighted "Amiga Inc" is up in the blue legally.

[kolla]

@ kolla & dannyp1

Well IMHO the situation is clear: The BB3 compilers didn't clear the copyright issues. The BB3 limbo is direct result from this.

It would be no matter how much work you'd put in it.

This is exactly the reason why you should always clear these issues beforehand.

This is exactly why on should avoid closed source proprietary systems at all, amigaos (and morphos for that matter) is a relic of the past in this regard. That the ...ahm.. "owners" havent bothered to go for a more open development path after fall of CBM has been a real PITA.

The current situation might seem unfair, considering no money making is involved. However, copyright is the "copy" "right", and it applies regardless of the payment (even if none).

How do one know who has the copyright of a given component of AmigaOS3.9? There are copyright stamps east and west there, and as you have pointed out earlier, also stolen components etc - to breach some more copyrights owned by ignorant copyright holder is just keeping up a long and strong tradition of 3.5+, nothing new, same old, same old.

If tomazkid and amigaworld.net have any balls (heh) they should also ban any discussion of OS3.9, or linking to Amiga dealers who still sell OS3.9 - this a much much worse breach of copyrights than this BB3 will ever be. I'm quite sure you agree.

[kolla]

This cannot be a serious interpretation.  Open source non-proprietary systems have licensing problems as well.  In short, this is absolutely NOT a closed-source issue.

Copyright is there also without a license, it is not the same.
Opensource licenses ensures that you as a user is free to fiddle with the sources and compile as much as you like. The license might prohibit you from distributing binaries, but that is not much of an issue when there are sources that can be distributed.

[kolla]

So will amigaworld.net also block any discussion on OS3.9 and remove links to anyone selling OS3.9 that comes with pirated AmiTCP (aka Genesis)?

Btw... would it make sense to have some sort of bugtracker/improvement wishes for Classic 68k AmigaOS? I have a few wishes myself, but no idea where to address them.

One quite recent example is ForceNewLook that I had to dig out from some old MagicMenu-1.x archive, it enforces newlook menus (black on white) in for example console.device. First of all it would be nice if console.device could finally at last switch to newlook menus as default itself, and secondly it would be nice with romable ForceNewLook.

[kolla]

No, general discussion of BB3 is still allowed, direct links are not.
Regarding OS 3.9 cd, well, we deal with that if necessary, until then it will pass.
Is the Genesis that comes with OS 3.9 really pirated btw?
links please, I am not too familiar with that myself.

Sure, http://www.amigau.com/aig/amigaos39.html under "critisism".

You need to bear in mind that aw.net server is located in France, and we need to respect the French laws in particular, and EU laws in general, not an easy task always, but we need to do it.

From my understanding and experience, the French has a very pragmatic attitude towards laws, also historically, so this statement is sort of funny. No offence