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Offline kolla

Re: Philosophical question related to AROS vs OS4
« on: February 08, 2010, 11:37:12 PM »
Quote from: clusteruk;541990
Aros is way better than OS3.9 on native Amiga, I have dropped back to OS3.1

AROS shell needs lots of work though, sadly - OS3.9 has IMO the best shell implementation, easily beating OS3.1.

Things lacking in AROS Shell:
* The concept of local variables - there is set and get, but the shell has no way of printing those variables, there is only global, filebased, variables.
* No backticking, only method to catch output from a program is to dump output to a file, also no piping as far I can tell - it's like being back in ancient MSDOS.
* Asterisk is neither wildcard nor "this console" as in amiga shell (compare "copy s:user-startup *" on amiga shell and AROS shell)
* There's a pure flag in the filesystem, but it seems to work opposite of intended; if you set pure flag and try to make a program resident, the shell will protest. I discovered this by accident the other day, thought for a long time that the pure concept didnt work at all.
* No hold flag in the filesystem at all for some weird rason (?!), just sparwed, not hsparwed - weird, considering that pure actually is there
* The con-handler of AROS leaves much to be desired for anyone used to KingCON or whatever :)

Other things...
In general, drag and drop is lously implemented in AROS, one cannot drop icons into filerequesters for example.

I also am one of those weirdos who easily prefer OS3.9 Workbench and ASL over these so called modern incarnations, and I have yet to grasp what the "Close" entry in the "Icon" menu of Wanderer is supposed to do - how do one close an icon? And is there no "Copy"? Makes much more sense to make a copy of an icon than to close it, if you ask me :)

Another simple issue - versions strings, man, do AROS coders have no idea how amiga os version strings work at all? :hammer:

I have lots of other issues as well, but why not leave at this for now :laughing:
« Last Edit: February 08, 2010, 11:39:42 PM by kolla »
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Offline kolla

Re: Philosophical question related to AROS vs OS4
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2010, 02:50:41 AM »
Quote from: Piru;542014
Well, if I want to run such HW hitting apps or games I do it with WinUAE. WinUAE is superior to any other UAE, including AROS one.


Not to mention that you wont have to run wannabe OSes like for example MorphOS.
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS
 

Offline kolla

Re: Philosophical question related to AROS vs OS4
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2010, 09:56:59 AM »
I dont share the idea that I have deep understanding of these things (and most devevlopers I know would agree), to me those are just observations from a user's point of view. Yes, I should get more involved, at least fixing version strings should be trivial task :)
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A3000/060CSPPC+CVPPC/128MB + 256MB BigRAM/Deneb USB
A4000/CS060/Mediator4000Di/Voodoo5/128MB
A1200/Blz1260/IndyAGA/192MB
A1200/Blz1260/64MB
A1200/Blz1230III/32MB
A1200/ACA1221
A600/V600v2/Subway USB
A600/Apollo630/32MB
A600/A6095
CD32/SX32/32MB/Plipbox
CD32/TF328
A500/V500v2
A500/MTec520
CDTV
MiSTer, MiST, FleaFPGAs and original Minimig
Peg1, SAM440 and Mac minis with MorphOS